From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #202 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 28 March 2000 Vol 07 : Num 202 In this issue: the_dojang: Opinion the_dojang: Proud Children the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #201 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #200 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #201 the_dojang: C is for Corea, J is for Jiu-jitsu the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #201 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #201 the_dojang: Re: Report Cards in Dojangs and Martial Arts Centers... the_dojang: Re: intro the_dojang: New [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:13:51 EST Subject: the_dojang: Opinion In a message dated 3/27/00 10:33:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << In sum, it is the responsibility of the parents (vice private Martial Arts Instructors) to take a proactive approach to their children's educational achievements. Finally, I do not believe that a martial arts instructor has a complete insight into a teenager's raging hormones, peer pressure, and other changes we all go through. >> I see. Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion (however wrong I may believe it to be) ... and since you won't be answering anything back to anything anyone says about this ... then I have nothing to say. :-) Have a nice day. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:33:08 EST Subject: the_dojang: Proud Children In a message dated 3/27/00 10:33:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Personally, I believe the Martial Arts Instuctor should treat each child as a human being with warmth and caring and leave the scholastic issues to parents and teachers. >> If we had ... those children would still be still be disrespectful in class ... not learning anything ... and influencing other children not to learn either by following along with them. Their teachers would still be tearing their hair out by the roots ... instead of coming to my school to watch the tests that these children have here (teachers are invited to come) ... to see where the good manners are taught and applauding us in our good efforts. And recommending our school to other parents of children who are having a hard time in school. Not everyone is an A or B student, I agree. Some are C students. I applaud them in their efforts too. I have spent hours with students helping them read ... helping them understand what a wonderful world the world of books are. I will not give up. Just had a young man come running into my school tonight with his report card waving over his head ... thrusting it into my hands and beaming to the skies above with the biggest smile I have ever seen on that kid. His chest was out ... his chin was up ... and his eyes sparkled. All his grades, including his citizenship grades were up one notch ! He was sooooo proud ! I made a big deal of it in class ... patted him on the back ... gave him a high five and and thumb's up! He made my day. People can talk negative talk about how they feel about what we are doing for kids ... but I think it is worth it to make them feel proud of themselves and the accomplishments they can achieve ... if they have someone who believes in them ... knows they can do it. Sure ... they can say ... let the parents do it ... let the teachers do it ... but what if the parents and the teachers need alittle bit of help? I am not doing anything that someone hasn't already asked me help in. Everyone here knows what my school's reputation is about. That is why they bring their kids here. For the results we are getting here, in teaching them Respect for Others, Disciplining themselves to become good citizens, Helping others and Becoming Leaders among their peers. And also teaching them Karate Skills that they think are so cool to do. We teach them to be safe on the streets, too. We also teach Stranger Awareness ... we have workshops in it every 3 months ... CPR Classes taught here for free by the Fire Department, Fingerprinting twice a year by the Police Dept. for free for kids, and Self Defense workshops for Women 4 times a year for free. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:40:44 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #201 In a message dated 3/27/00 10:33:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << It's up to parents to do their part and make sure the grades are right. I've got kids in class that achieve for the first time in martial arts, and get whatever they need to do better in school from the success in the dojang. If I required success in school before they could test, they would never have gotten what they needed to improve their entire life. >> Then I guess the parents up here have a problem then. Because before I implemented this "report card" thing ... these parents were letting their kids fail school subjects and still let them test. Never saying a word to me that they weren't trying in school. They seemed like really nice kids, too. But lazy. Spoiled. Always getting their way. But they didn't act that way in my school ... but outside the dojo ... another story. They were two faced and I can't stand that. Up to the parents to do their part ... right. Most do ... alot don't. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:57:42 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #200 In a message dated 3/27/00 6:31:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I now have my Belt and I will appreciate some time off work to > rest/recover etc. >> Congratulations on the new belt there, Ken !! Illona ------------------------------ From: Cplr50@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:00:43 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #201 In a message dated 03/28/2000 1:33:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > Many bright children are late bloomers and do not necessarily perform at > the > A or B level. All I can say it ...WHEW!!. being the a Posterboy for late bloomers in the northeast region of the U.S., I am forced to say that this policy is a bit intrusive.. it should only be done if all parties involved are willing to go along with it.. this means the students, teachers and parents being okay for the loss of privacy. Steve "just hitting my stride now" Stone ------------------------------ From: burdickd Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:14:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: C is for Corea, J is for Jiu-jitsu Thanks Ray for that bit about the romanization of Corea. Quite an inspired bit of lunacy! We can all turn the clock back on the various efforts of linguists (who have been insulting nations around the globe for so many years) and return to the "true" spellings. We can start writing jiu-jitsu instead of jujutsu again. Wait, the Gracies do that anyways, don't they? Well, at least we can change judo back to jiudo like it was in 1905. And we can finally go back to writing kung-fu rather than gongfu (didn't you always think that David Carradine was the expert on this spelling anyways? he looked so cool with that eye makeup!). I have one question though. If we were so respectful of Corea back then, why didn't we let King Kojong into the U.S. Legation when he was fleeing from the Japanese? Why did we let Japan have Korea after WW I rather than uphold Pres. Wilson's support of democracy and self-rule? And why did we keep making the decisions of "our little brown brothers" for them? Ah well, this one was just too strange for me to avoid making a comment! I'm really surprised they didn't mention the use of K in Ku Klux Klan, which might make a stronger case for the disrepectfulness of K than did kittycat! Take care, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:37:00 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #201 In a message dated 3/28/00 12:34:13 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Another comment on this report card issue. An instructor noted: >> I do not require report cards. For many kids, TKD is the happiest most exciting hours of their day, they are great TKD students, but not good book students. However, for those that want to share their report cards with me, they can earn an Academic Excellence patch if on the A or A-B honor roll. Gary Pieratt ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:41:02 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #201 In a message dated 3/28/00 12:34:13 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I teach martial arts. If a student attends class regularly, learns the material, acquires the physical skills, and can demonstrate the level of proficiency required, he gets an opportunity to test. It's up to parents to do their part and make sure the grades are right. I've got kids in class that achieve for the first time in martial arts, and get whatever they need to do better in school from the success in the dojang. If I required success in school before they could test, they would never have gotten what they needed to improve their entire life. submitted for your perusal. Rick Foley >> Well said Rick, Gary Pieratt ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 06:28:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Report Cards in Dojangs and Martial Arts Centers... One enlightened poster noted: Response: There will be no winners and losers in the "Report Card in Dojang/ Martial Arts School" debate. However, I do appreciate one poster's comments above. Echoes my sentiments precisely. Now, I will intertwine the above analysis with this thought. P.S. 64, Ozone Park, New York. Early 60's. Vito Scagglioni sat right next to my in the 5th grade. Vito was a little slow but a great guy and a big guy even in the 5th grade. Now, Vito and his family (his father was part of the Genovese Crime Family)did not mind that Vito got C's and D's. Vito would leave school and go work for his father at the family "Butcher and Grocery" Shop. Vinny sat in front of me. He was the class clown. His father was an auto mechanic and just making ends meet. He had to help with the family. Both Vinny and Vito were not academic scholars and never gonna be. They were going to be either "wise guys" or blue collar workers. They may go into fields such as electrician, plumbing, construction, restaurant, and so forth. Nothing wrong with those honorable professions. Now, if Vinny and Vito came to some Dojang and the Martial Arts instructor wanted to see their report cards, what do you think Vito's father would say. And, God forbid, if that Martial Arts instructor told Vito he could not test until he gets his grades up like little Sally and Hymie (the honor student). Do you think that would go over in Little Italy in Ozone Park, New York ? Hmnnn. Point: If your going to reward students insure that you pick other rewards other than "grades" to not let those "less gifted" children feel inadequate. Amid the belief that you are doing good things, you are simultaneously hurting the Vitos and Vinny's (or Micheles) in the world. I like Vito and Vinny. They are go to guys and loyal friends. But, they will laugh in your face if you tell them "...how come you got a C in history...you can't test. Final points: If you want to digress from being a martial arts instructor and enter the world of youth motivation, insure you have the academic credentials to understand that not all children bring home glowing report cards. Consider these children: disabled, slow learners, home environment, peer pressure, latch key children, one parent homes. You are leaving out a large section of the educational pool. Do you have the background to enter into these subtle distinctions ? Do you understand pyschometric measurements and other variables. It is not that easy to merely reward merit based on grades in an outside elective activity. Thanks for the bandwidth. Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:49:34 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: intro In a message dated 3/27/00 10:33:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Hello, I=B4m 28 years old finnish male taekwondoist >> hi janne, welcome to the list :) melinda ChunjiDo -pe rsonal homepage http://hometown.aol.com/chunjido/homehtmlindex.html Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply - business page http://hometown.aol.com/chajonshim/ma4sale.html Paidforsurf.com - - Main - get paid 75cents/hr to surf the net...i do! Looking for enlightenment is like looking for a flashlight, when all you need the flashlight for is to find the flashlight. ------------------------------ From: "Mary Bubenzer" Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:58:56 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: New Hello! I'm new here and I'd like to introduce myself. I am new to the arts... HapKiDo. I have one lowly tip on my oh-so-white belt but I am on my way! My name is Mary and I am a 32 year old mom, horribly out of shape, flexible as a steel bar, body like a mushy rutabega. Yet... this art got to me, and I can't wait for my next chance to get to the Dojang. I train at the American Academy of Martial Arts in the Cleveland, Ohio area. I have only been doing this since February. My son (5 yrs old) and I began at a HapKiDo class offered at our rec center... and it caught fire in me! I joined the academy and attend class at least three times a week. This feeling of passion is so new and bizarre for my personality... I'm a very unathletic bookish computer person. But something about HapKiDo calls me, and makes me want to push myself. I am surprised at some of the things I have been able to do! It is remarkable and has given me (good heavens) a new respect for this body God gave me. The Academy is very traditional and all levels train together. I have been able to learn so much watching the black belts. All of the instructors and other students are so kind: I am always the only white belt in class. It is nice to find a forum like this to be able to talk about this new chapter in my life. If anyone has any flexibility exercises to suggest I would be eternally greatful. Thank you! P'yong hwa! Mary ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 06:58:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #202 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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