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The_Dojang-Digest            Wed, 29 March 2000         Vol 07 : Num 206

In this issue:

       the_dojang: EXTREMLY PROUD
       Re: the_dojang: Re:   Welcome Mary
       the_dojang: Korean Translation
       the_dojang: Pat on the back for Anthony
       the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #205
       the_dojang: Re: Fw: A woman martial artists speaks her mind! (long but worth 
       the_dojang: Welcome Mary!
       the_dojang: JO's
       [none]
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From: CA&B Skjold <cabs@corpcomm.net>
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:00:30 -0600
Subject: the_dojang: EXTREMLY PROUD

Hello All,
    First, I would like to thank those who gave me advice and such on my
breaking anxiety.  THANK YOU.

    Last night (03/28/00) I had Tae Kwon Do testing to achieve my Yellow
Belt (7th Gup).  The Testing Criteria included:
    - Form (Poomse) Palgwe Il Chung
    - 10 Intermediate Basic Kicking
    - 5 Counter Attacks
    - 7 Basic One Steps
    - 4 Sets of 3/2 Steps
    - 5 Sparring Techniques
    - Self Defense
    - Korean Terminology for kicks, blocks, uniform, gym, Master
Instructor, Offense, Loud Yell
    - Questions and Code
    - Breaking (Turning Side Kick)

I PASSED and was awarded my Yellow Belt Last night.  I know now that if
I can achieve a breaking using a turning side kick, the kick I need the
most work on, I can achieve any breaking.

Proudly
Anne Skjold
Yellow Belt (7th Gup)
WTF, IBBF - Tae Kwon Do



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From: Daniel Monjar <dmonjar@orgtek.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:40:33 -0500
Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re:   Welcome Mary

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From: "Victor Cushing" <blueknightpi@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:36:59 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: Re:   Welcome Mary

Welcome aboard, Mary.....I read your post  below and thought to myself that
this is what Hapkido should be about, letting people grow, learn,  and have
fun.  Mary... ..just one warning..this stuff is addictive and you are
already hooked! That is OK this digest is  basically a support group for a
bunch of Hapkido and other martial arts addicts. Now what were those 12
steps again?
- ---------

I don't know about 12 steps but Taeguk Il Jang has 18 <grin>...


- -- 
Daniel Monjar / Organon Teknika, Durham, NC US

From Dept. of State Consular information sheet on El Salvador:
"Many Salvadorans are armed and shootouts are not uncommon."

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From: "Ates, Michelle (ATESML)" <ATESML@UCMAIL.UC.EDU>
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:46:34 -0600
Subject: the_dojang: Korean Translation

How do you say "May I please begin" in Korean?

Michelle


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From: Scott <swillo@net-link.net>
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:08:08 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: Pat on the back for Anthony

You did a great job Anthony.  Don't second guess yourself.
You show great courage and restraint.

<From: "A. Boyd" <anthonybtboyd@yahoo.com>
<Subject: the_dojang: To whom does it make a difference?
<snip>
< So, the purpose of sharing this with you all is - does it
make a difference? Can we make
< a difference?

Yes you did make a differance.  You stood up for someone
that needed it.  That is the differance between walking the
walk or just talking the talk.  No matter what else happens
remember that you took a stand against injustice.  That is
what is important.

< It seems so easy to offer platitudes and recycle pearls of
wisdom but in the reality of
< the situation, what really gets accomplished?

In many cases this is exactly true nothing does happen.  Not
because of your actions but because she is unwilliing to
take action. You gave her the opertunity to leave him and go
to the hospital or police.  That she didn't take it is not
your fault.  She needs more help then you could give in that
situation.  But that doesn't detract from the fact that you
stood up for someone that needed your help.  If this ever
happens again the person might take the oppertunity. Then
something will be done for her.  But the fact is even if you
called the police for her, if she doesn't take steps to
protect herself from him then you have done all you can.

< I am not totally distressed over this. I was thanked by a
few of my friends for leading
<the way and patted on the back by a bystander for being an
upright guy. I had an impact
<on people who were doing and will continue to do no wrong.
I wonder though, will they
<also continue not to act until led? As a non-drinker it is
hard for me to allow for the
<thick-headed state drunkeness causes. To my view they
intentionally blinded themselves to
<their surroundings. Sober, most of them would have helped
her instantly.

Martial arts is about self control.  Excess of Alcohol is a
lack of self control.  If you practice martial arts as a way
of life, you need to recognize this. I'm not inocent of this
either.  At a party hosted by some college aged martial arts
students (which I was two way back then) I seldom drank.
But one of the girls convinced me to slam a pint of
something Called MD20/20.  Never heard of it before so I
did.  As you can guess I was toasted in seconds. To make
things more fun she decided she wanted to "spar" with me.
In my state of mind anything was a good Idea.  She threw a
round house kick I caught it swept her base foot and slammed
her to the floor of the living room.  About three seconds
later the thought worked it's way to the front of my head.
"Becareful doing this you don't want to hurt her."   To
late!  That was my first lession in how excess of alcohol
removes all ability to practice good self-contol.


< But what about the girl? Her safety and her situation were
the goal. We did nothing for
< her in the end.

That was not you choice that was hers. You gave her the
oppertunity to act.  She didn't.  You can't control that for
her.  To bad, as the guy is obviously going to kill her one
day unless she gets a counsolers help and gets out of the
situation.  As they say you can lead a horse to water but
you can't make them drink.




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From: MissIllona@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:55:10 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #205

In a message dated 3/29/00 7:06:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:

<< But, remember--it is my pay check paying to have you run the school. >>

I think I heard this one from a cop in one of my classes when he tried to 
give someone a ticket ... a "don't you know my taxmoney pays your salary" 
kind of thing.


LOL ... 

Illona

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From: "Christopher Spiller" <caspiller@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:21:19 GMT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: Fw: A woman martial artists speaks her mind! (long but worth 

Bravo to Mrs. West for such a thoughtful post. I have been perusing the 
conversation regarding all women dojangs with some interest and she has made 
a very significant critique of the issue.

While I do think there is validity in same sex education (girls apparently 
do better scholastically and boys improve socially in single sex educational 
settings) in Martial Arts there is a necessity for training with members of 
the opposite sex, especially for women's self defense. Same sex classes and 
seminars are fine, and probably very beneficial, but if one is training to 
defend themselves from a larger opponent who is probably going to be a man 
then they should probably practice on a partner who is similar.

Teachers should have the students' best interests in mind but I hesitate to 
say that these will be determined by political ideology.

The above being said I am afraid that I think this particular thread is 
rapidly approaching an impasse. There are some people who use feminism as a 
lens through which they view the entire world. This is NOT meant as a flame 
by any means.

Perhaps it's time for all parties to take a step back and take a critical 
look at what they think. Critical doesn't mean "negative", it just means to 
critique. According to the author G.K. Chesterton, having an open mind is 
like having an open mouth - it's only use is to close down on something 
worthwhile. Many of us never tire of critiquing our techniques to see if 
they work but critiquing our beliefs is a little more difficult.

By the way, I have trainind for nearly fourteen years under a husband and 
wife team. The wife is one of the best instructors I have ever seen. She has 
a great ability to analyze techniques and tell you exactly what you are 
doing wrong and what you need to do to fix it. Far from having students not 
want to learn from her we look forward to having her in class, especially 
when preparing for a test. She also teaches women's self defense seminars on 
a fairly regular basis which introduce many women to MA's who otherwise 
would never even consider stepping into a dojang.

She also was around in "the olden days" and has told me about some of the 
tournaments she went to, training as one of a handful of women in a class of 
fifty men, etc. She stuck it out with the perseverence that TKD is supposed 
to teach. She encourages both the men and the women in her classes to stick 
with their training, set goals, and achieve them. That's not a feminist 
teaching method it's a GOOD teaching method.

Well, end of monologue. Again, I am not trying to offend anyone and hope no 
one takes it that way.

Taekwon,
Chris

"Every experience of beauty points to infinity."
   Hans Urs von Balthasar

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From: DWall1008@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:42:34 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Welcome Mary!

Welcome Mary.  I am a 39 year old newbie to Hap Ki do myself. I started over 
as a white belt (previously studied kempo).  Hap Ki Do is very beneficial for 
us older chickens.  Sounds like you have a great outlook to begin your 
foundation on.  Be brave there are many of us out there!.

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From: Tkdtiger@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:39:39 EST
Subject: the_dojang: JO's

Since I am being innundated with requests for info on the JO's and what is on the USTU web page - here is Sammy pejo's  official response to the question

hope this helps everyone with plane tickets etc...

Please find the schedule below (no competition on the 16th)

Mon/Tues, July 10-11
Credential Pickup & weigh-in

Wed, July 12th
8-9 all belts
14-15 color belts

Thurs, July 13th
14-17 black belts
Opening Ceremonies

Fri, July 14th 
6-7 all belts
12-13 all belts

Sat, July 15th
10-11 all belts
16-17 color belts




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From: Ray Terry <rterry@idiom.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:39:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [none]


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