From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #216 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 1 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 216 In this issue: the_dojang: Masters the_dojang: distribution list the_dojang: ROK National Assembly Elections the_dojang: none Re: the_dojang: distribution list the_dojang: First Black Belt Test the_dojang: First Black Belt Test the_dojang: Thanks! the_dojang: 1st Dan Day [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jere R. Hilland" Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:18:08 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Masters Andy, that is what we do. My students call me sabum (addressed as sabumnim). But in hapkido one does not become a master till 5 th dan... Jere ------------------------------ From: "Jere R. Hilland" Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:27:22 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: distribution list << Yes, you posted on Dojang Digest, a list that we are boycotting due to the unethical behavior of DD's owner, Ray Terry. We have no objection to you reading DD, however, we frown on supporting that list through posts....>> I found it odd that within hours of making the same post on both tkd-net and DD I simply stopped rec'v the tkd-net digest. I guess I now know why. I would not know Ray or Glenn if we met without an introduction. I know nothing of these two gentlemen. But I am here because we all have something in common, that is also why I was posting here, on tkd-net, Jeremy's group and the instructors group. I find the statement "...a list that [we] are boycotting...", well actually the word 'we', is very vague here. Interesting behavior. Jere ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 7:09:40 PST Subject: the_dojang: ROK National Assembly Elections Please forward to interested individuals! You are cordially invited to... A dinner and discussion on An Assessment of the ROK National Assembly Elections with Professor Hyung Kook Kim and Mr. Chul-Min Lee Moderated by Donald P. Gregg This meeting will provide a unique opportunity to gain an informed perspective on the outcome of the elections from two seasoned observers of the political scene in Korea: Prof. Hyung Kook Kim, Director of the Asian Studies Program, American University; and Mr. Chul-Min Lee, New York Bureau Chief, The Chosun Daily. In his role as moderator, Amb. Donald P. Gregg, Chairman, The Korea Society, will bring additional expertise to what promises to be a very interesting and timely discussion of developments that are vital to future developments on the Korean peninsula. The National Assembly Elections in South Korea scheduled for April 15 will be a major benchmark in Korea's recent history. The outcome of the elections is likely to have a significant impact on a wide range of critical issues, including the Kim Dae-jung administration's ongoing economic reforms and major foreign policy initiatives such as the Sunshine Policy toward North Korea. Wednesday April 19, 2000 6:30-9:00pm Empire Korea Restaurant 6 East 32nd Street, New York City (between Fifth and Madison) $20 members/$25 non-members (includes dinner) RSVP requested by Monday April 17 to Richard Hitchcock 212-759-7525 ext 12 or richard.ny@koreasociety.org Alina Oh Program Associate The Korea Society 212-759-7525 ext. 15 alina.ny@koreasociety.org www.koreasociety.org ------------------------------ From: "rich hodder" Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 07:57:14 PST Subject: the_dojang: none Hello to Chris and Shawn, I didn't know you guys had decided to actually tie the knot. I think it must be a summitt county thing these days. Congratulations on youre impending marriage and your new school. Let me know if I can help in any way. Rich ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 8:38:54 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: distribution list > I found it odd that within hours of making the same post on both tkd-net and > DD I simply stopped rec'v the tkd-net digest. I guess I now know why. I > would not know Ray or Glenn if we met without an introduction. I know > nothing of these two gentlemen. But I am here because we all have something > in common, that is also why I was posting here, on tkd-net, Jeremy's group > and the instructors group. IMHO, this is the only ethical way we can proceed. As brothers/sisters in the arts we should openly share, learn, and explore with each other. We also need to set excellent examples with our own behavior, else why should others want to also become martial artists. Since Glenn reads every issue... I know that Glenn has apparently told others that I attempted to subscribe to his list so that I could disrupt it. That is false, I never attempted that, I never did that. If he was told that he was misled. Heck, I have only read an issue or two of his list since it started and those were sent directly to me by those apparently close to him. I am far too busy with work, training, teaching, and the three lists I personally administer to read even more email. When he started his new list I even sent him many new subscribers. Glenn, I cannot honestly say that I am sorry for having to remove you from the_dojang ~3 years ago. Your behavior forced me to do that and I hope you now understand that. Hopefully a reread of one of your posts to the_dojang, from the 1997 archives, will hopefully make that clear. >I think that there is a chill over the dojang digest at the present time >because of what some people perceive to be at atmosphere of censored posts, >inappropriate, unnecessary and uncalled for public reprimands of list >members by the list administrator, as well as petty comments by small >minded list members who chose to disrespect their betters instead of >gratefully acknowledging new and insightful information and perspectives. >If that's the way it's going to be, who wants to post? Certainly not me. However, I -am- sorry for some of the things I said to you in private email shortly after that happened. We were both rather hot then. I have apologized for it before and I do it again. That was ~3 long years ago, isn't it time to move on? Life is just too short to carry those kinds of feelings for all these years. Perhaps we can never be friends again, but at least we don't have to be enemies... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Morgan Kochel Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 12:27:04 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: First Black Belt Test Dave, Thanks for your candid remarks on getting your black belt, Dave. It's nice to know that I'm just human to be nervous about it. Well, it's still a long way off for me. I appreciate your words, tho! Pilseung, Morgan ------------------------------ From: Morgan Kochel Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 12:34:19 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: First Black Belt Test Chris wrote: > Testing for first dan really was one of those things that was totally > different than what I expected. Several months before my test my instructor > asked me when I was planning on going for black belt. I was going to be > leaving for college at the end of the summer (this was shortly after > Christmas) so I hemmed and hawed and said I was unsure. I had already been a > 1st gup for a few months but was nervous about testing for dan ranking. I > had seen a couple other black belt tests and they looked tough (hey, I'm > good but those guys were awesome). Anyway, he told me I'd test in mid summer > so I should start polishing things up. The following months were filled with > the joy of repetitious kicking, patterns, push-ups, sit-ups, skipping rope, > terminology memorization, sparring, etc. I've never seen a black belt test in my school, but I was surprised to hear you have to do pushups and situps as part of the test! Is this common? > At the test I felt fairly confident. There were a couple things I wasn't > looking forward to. Sparring a second dan friend of mine was one of them. He > was really laid back most of the time but when he wanted to he could just > score at will (I never liked him! ;)). Towards the end of the test (over an > hour and a half) I was getting tired and was worried about how that would > effect my scores but overall I had managed to peak physically at the time of > my test. > > At the end of my test I received my temporary black belt and a hearty > congratulations on a job well done from my instructor. > > I was very upset. Any reason why they give temporary black belts? I don't believe my school does that, though I'm not sure. Once you pass the test, doesn't that mean you've earned the "real thing"? > Another thing that kept me humble was the next class I went to. I suddenly > couldn't do reverse roundhouse kick! I'd only known them for a couple of > years at the time. For some reason that night those kicks, and some other > techniques, gave me a bit of trouble. It was a reminder that I was a black > belt not God. So was the fact that I still had to mow the lawn, take out the > garbage, etc. Curses! ;) Awww. You didn't get the boots and red cape like another poster talked about? ;-) :-) I can completely sympathize, though. The BB is really "built up" in our culture as if it's the end-all of training. Sometimes I dislike the idea of ranks all together. > I honestly think those things helped me realize that I was still just me. > You promote in rank not to being a superman. This doesn't mean you don't > grow as a person but you ARE still a person. It was a great lesson that I > will never forget. Thank you for sharing that with us! It's nice to know you black belts are human, too. ;-) Pilseung! Morgan ------------------------------ From: Morgan Kochel Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 12:37:10 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Thanks! Thank you all for responding to my question about the first Black Belt test. If I haven't personally responded to your post, please know that I have read it and enjoyed them all very much! Thanks for your insight! It's very appreciated. Pilseung! Morgan ------------------------------ From: Leslie Harris Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 13:04:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: 1st Dan Day Morgan wrote: "I was wondering if some of you (or all of you) would share your experience when you received your first black belt (1st Dan). What were you thinking? Were you scared, filled with ego (be honest!), hesitant, proud, or unsure whether you deserved it?" I haven't posted to the DD in about a year (since the whole "how do you defend yourself against a dangerous dog?" conversation), but Morgan's question has been on my mind lately as I move closer to my 2nd Dan test (in June).... I remember feeling on top of my game for most of my 1st Dan test (with the single exception of the jumping spinning kicks--bad ankle, bad back, onset of hip bursitis--old at 32 and testing with teenagers!). The first few seconds of the test, as we were beginning the poomse (our school studies both taeguk and palgwe poomse), I was nervous, then I realized "Hey! I know this!" and I was strong through the remainder of the test (but then again, I'm typically confident during tests--is this what you meant by "ego?" ;) My mom came to Massachusetts from Ohio to watch the test. She videotaped it. Now I look at the test and think "Boy, do I need to work on that kick!" or "My hands went down right there." The best part captured by the video, though, was the enormous smile on my face as Sabumnim shook my hand and congratulated me on a successful promotion. The next few weeks after the test, though, were strangely depressing. Sort of an existential "now what?" angst. I had planned and studied toward 1st Dan as a GOAL, instead of as a MILE MARKER. Thankfully, I realized how much more learning I had to do, and I committed to returning to the dojang to work and study hard. Two years later, I realize how little I knew then (and how much more there is to learn). The best part is that I'm now able to see the 2nd Dan test as a mile marker, not an end to the journey. I'm still having the time of my life. And, hey, Ray, I may lurk, but I always read--100% of the time! Leslie ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 11:01:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #216 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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