From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #219 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 3 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 219 In this issue: the_dojang: reasons for practicing the_dojang: ICHF Master Pedro Rodriguez? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #218 Re: the_dojang: ICHF Master Pedro Rodriguez? the_dojang: Looking for Info on ACL injuries the_dojang: Re: Board Breaking the_dojang: Re: This list, that list, can we move on...? the_dojang: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED - Women's Self Defence the_dojang: Re: Korea /Corea the_dojang: TaeGuek Sa-jang the_dojang: Master In Hapkido [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800+ members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary Bubenzer" Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:34:45 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: reasons for practicing Hello, distinguished people! I am new to martial arts: I joined an academy for Hapkido about a month ago, and now cannot get to the Dojang enough. I have my second tip on my white belt and will test for my yellow this month. I don't believe there are many competitions, tournaments, for Hapkido, but even if there were I wouldn't be interested. I want to learn because I feel so good about myself after every class, and I'm becoming fit, and brave, which is not something I ever thought I'd be! (mind you I have a LONG way to go LOL). What I want to know is, how important to you are competitions? How important are the colors of belts to you? Would it bother you, teachers, if you had a student like me who was not all that motivated by those things? I mean... At this point I can't imagine myself with a Black Belt... that would be so fabulous, but to be honest, as a white belt, it's hard for me to imagine, and the idea even frightens me a bit as I watch the amazing and acomplished blackbelts in our Dojang (American Academy of Martial Arts, Westlake, Ohio, master Instructor Mike Mignona). I have great enthusiam, oh, God I want to be able to do all those things... but this middle aged unfit overweight body is a bit of a problem. You know, I'm not even sure what I am trying to get at. All I know is, I LOVE it. And I love the instructors and other students who are so kind, gentle and patient with me. Even if I continued as a white belt for a long long time I would still go about three times a week to the Dojang. Well, one of my favorite movies, "Strictly Ballroom" has the line "A life lived in fear is a life half lived". And so, I carry on. I have lived my life in penetrating and paralyzing fear so much to this point. I only just got my driver's liscence... that's just one example. The fact that I am doing Hapkido is more remarkable than I can properly express in words, or perhaps that you can comprehend. I drive myself to the Dojang, I drive home in dark, I am the only white belt. I get out there and I spar. I grapple. Hapkido has done so much to bolster myself, even only after a couple months. My teacher last time called me tough. I nearly broke out in tears! Me tough? How wonderful! I guess I am writing this, (through greatful tears at this point) because I need you all to know just how life altering and affirming the martial arts can be. And to understand how soul-shaking it can be for a woman like me to discover a warrior inside. Sorry if this was too mushy for words, folks. P'yong Hwa, Mary ------------------------------ From: "John Bennett" Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:47:58 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: ICHF Master Pedro Rodriguez? Has anyone ever heard of the International Combat Hapkido Federation, John Pellegrini, or Pedro Rodriguez? These guys are doing a seminar near me. They are teaching Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu as part of the seminar. Does anyone know if either of these guys is good at Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu? Any help appreciated!!! John Bennett ------------------------------ From: "Dorota Konecky" Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:14:59 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #218 I do not want to involve myself in the matter between Mr. Terry and Glenn. I do not know Mr. Terry or Glenn. ( I am a relatively new subscriber and usually prefer to read the opinions of others). I am afraid that the discussion regarding this dispute overshadows 1 very important thing. Thank you Mr. Terry, for providing us (even the lurkers) a place to read and express opinions and to learn from each other without the typical ego problems that exist whenever you get a large group together. It is through your dedication that this list exists. Neal Konecky ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 18:24:31 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: ICHF Master Pedro Rodriguez? > Has anyone ever heard of the International Combat Hapkido Federation, > John Pellegrini, or Pedro Rodriguez? > > These guys are doing a seminar near me. They are teaching Brazilian > Jiu-Jitsu as part of the seminar. Does anyone know if either of these > guys is good at Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu? John Pellegrini is the founder and head of the ICHF. Pedro Rodriguez is the ICHF's ground grappling specialist. Not sure if Pedro is BJJ or another ground grappling style. ICHFer Michael Rowe can probably tell us more... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Dave Steffen Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:51:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: the_dojang: Looking for Info on ACL injuries > From: "Silke Schulz" > > Well, it's probable that I tore my ACL last Friday night while > sparring. While I have a pretty good idea what the injury is, I > don't know much about whether or not it requires surgical repair, > approximate recovery time, etc, and my curiosity between now and > when I can get in to see an Orthopod requires some satisfaction. I'm sorry to hear it - ACL injuries suck. I blew mine about a year ago - a student accidentally came down on my leg and bucked the knee inwards. It really sucked - I went into shock and everything (that's a very interesting experience, BTW ;-) If you were a runner or something like that, you wouldn't necessarily need to have it repaired - IIRC John Elway played his entire NFL career without an ACL in one knee (which is why he always walked a little funny). OTOH as soon as I told my doctor I was a martial artist, he immediately said "You need an ACL, we'll schedule surgery." Let me say something very important here: IT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE A GOOD ORTHOPOD That's so important, let me say it again: IT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE A GOOD ORTHOPOD Rebuilding ACL's is still an area of active research, and some doctors are more up on the current techniques than others. Make sure your guy is active in research. Bug me sometime soon and I'll find out about the research group my orthopod is a member of - if you could find someone in the same group, it'd probably be a good thing. ;-) Anyway, they _used_ to go in and sew the ligament back together. This typically doesn't work so well - in order for the ligament to _really_ heal, you have to practically imobilize the joint for a month or two, which does not do good things for range of motion and so forth. What they did to me was take a graft from the patellar tendon - that is, the tendon that connects the kneecap to the lower leg. They take a thin slice out of the middle, including a little chunk of bone on each end. They then remove what's left of the ACL (typically little nubs of tissue floating around in the joint - yuck), drill holes through the bottom of the femur and top of the tibia, and pull the graft through. Voila, new ACL. It's not a particularly pleasant procedure, but it's worked out pretty well for me. If I were a runner or football player or something, I would have said the knee was 100% 8 months after surgery. As martial artists, we're a bit more demanding - it would have been close to 100% after a year, except A) my rehab was interrupted by a minor back injury, and B) I ran into some complications (cartilage - argh). BTW if you can find a knee expert who's affiliated with your local NFL club, I'd try to see him/her. Most of what we know about rebuilding knees AFAIK was essentially funded by NFL team owners. ;-) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Steffen Wave after wave will flow with the tide Dept. of Physics And bury the world as it does Colorado State University Tide after tide will flow and recede steffend@lamar.colostate.edu Leaving life to go on as it was... - Peart / RUSH "The reason that our people suffer in this way.... is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:27:59 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Board Breaking In a message dated 4/2/00 3:58:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << (adult males are required to break 2 boards per station, for example, so one might take an existing combination and break 3 or 4 boards per station to increase the difficulty). >> Are you talking about 2 boards without spacers or just two boards done two different ways at each station? I've seen it done both ways. Same with the 3 and 4. Sorry ... am just trying to picture it in my mind. Illona ------------------------------ From: "Paul Rogers" Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:37:17 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: This list, that list, can we move on...? Delurking... > I used to counsel kids in a residential treatment facility. They had the > exact same attitude. "I'll respect them when they respect me." Unfortunately > that will NEVER happen. Be the bigger man and respect those that do NOT > respect you. Otherwise what have you learned? > > Taekwon, > Chris Well said, Chris. I've received some good information from GlennU in the past. Way back when, I had one post to THIS list which involved Glenn get edited/removed from the distribution (I forget which, it was a while back). It was bothersome, but none of this, IMHO, is important enough to warrant the myriad of posts decrying the other list, etc. I think it's time for Mr. Terry to send one of his (in)famous "OK, enough of this topic, it's not germane, let's get back to discussing Korean martial arts..." posts to the list....8?) Respectfully, Paul Rogers, Round Rock, TX (ATA) Relurking... ------------------------------ From: "Muir, Jim" Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:11:37 +1000 Subject: the_dojang: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED - Women's Self Defence The Canberra Division of Taekwondo Australia is looking to develop a women's self defence program. The vision is to be able to provide a program which is more than just an eight week course. We would like the program to provide an opportunity for ongoing development and practice of techniques learned, and some aerobic conditioning. One way of doing this would be to bring participants from an initial self defence course into our taekwondo program, however some participants may not wish to get involved martial arts. I am sure others have pondered this before us. I would be most appreciative if you could share approaches which you have tried and comment on how they have worked. I would also welcome any information on what material you consider most appropriate to an initial 8 week course for women's self defence. Jim Muir Email jim.muir@cbr.defence.gov.au ------------------------------ From: Andrew Pratt Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:39:34 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Korea /Corea Henny Savenije wrote: > KOREA OR COREA? My understanding of this difference is that Latin does not have a 'K' only a 'C.' Since the serious people who explored the world and created universities and libraries through the ages have generally been learned men who knew Latin, old books and these institutions will normally spell 'Korea' as 'Corea.' I do not know how the 'Korea' appeared. The article claims that it is a Japanese plot. It might easily have been a Korean(sic) émigré to the States who started using the 'Korean' spelling, or an 'unlearned' reporter... As to which spelling should be used in the future, I have heard two claims for 'Corea.' The nationalist argument appears in the article (but in reverse). If 'K' is used, Korea is listed after Japan. If 'C' is used, then Corea(sic) will be before of Japan. The more subtle idea has been to use 'Corea' when Korea is reunified to indicate a new beginning. The ideological conflict of the past will be consigned to the 'Korea' dustbin and everyone will enter the brave new Corea as free and equal persons. I hope that makes things a little clearer. Andrew ------------------------------ From: IMATC@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:31:30 EDT Subject: the_dojang: TaeGuek Sa-jang here is a question for those TKD stylist who practice TaeGuek Sa-Jang. As you begin with a double knife hand block to the midsection, you follow with dropping your lead hand and spear with the rear. Personally I practice it as double knife block, circle the wrist (counterclock) then drop the hand. Why? If you are blocking outward, what are you pushing down? By circling, you are still attaching to the hand you just blocked. You may say to protect against the other hand from attacking. From practice, the alignment is off. If I block say the opponents right hook with the double, then press down the straight left with the palm block, the spear hand is over by the shoulder is full speed. It opposes the way taught to me by my instructors and just wantedother points of view. For all practical purposes, it is a nerve strike to shoulder and pectoral ligaments, but never remember anyone putting it like that to me. Just confused on some points of this choice of combination. ------------------------------ From: HKDTodd@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:36:43 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Master In Hapkido In Jung Ki Hapkido and many other branches of Hapkido 4th dan is considered Master. TM ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 06:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #219 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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