From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #220 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 3 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 220 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: master the_dojang: Master the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #219 the_dojang: Re: reasons for practicing the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #219 the_dojang: Korean Taijiquan? the_dojang: Re: Master Pedro Rodriguez the_dojang: Breathing the_dojang: First BB Test the_dojang: Any Good MA Organizations? [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800+ members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "StarrAvis" Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:40:36 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: master I agree with Mr. West and Ms. Sweet on this title stuff. I personally feel that I am still "student Petrotta", rather than Mas... Petrotta. I have so much more to learn about life in general that my 30 years in the MA means very little to me, except for the good and bad times shared with my MA friends. A couple of years ago, I was going thru a particularly rough time in my life. I was a "master" in TKD and HKD, but couldn't master my personal life. The title means nothing except when referring to Jesus Christ, who is "master of all things". george petrotta gpetrott@yahoo.com http://www.martialarts2000.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Master re the master thing, I always liked the response from one 9th Dan. Always a student, sometimes a teacher... Ray ------------------------------ From: "Jim Griffin" Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:18:49 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #219 >From: "Mary Bubenzer" >Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:34:45 -0400 >Subject: the_dojang: reasons for practicing > >Hello, distinguished people! > > I am new to martial arts: I joined an academy for Hapkido about a >month ago, and now cannot get to the Dojang enough. I'm a relative newbie myself (< 1 year in TKD). Welcome to the world of Martial Arts. I hope your enthusiasm never wanes. > What I want to know is, how important to you are competitions? How >important are the colors of belts to you? Would it bother you, teachers, if >you had a student like me who was not all that motivated by those things? re: competition - Take this with a grain of salt (I've only competed once), but for me competition is fun but not really necessary. Sparring with strangers in front of other strangers definately puts a different spin on the experience. Re: belt colors - As a student I only care about them for two reasons. First - as I advance, I get to learn new and cooler stuff (I suspect it's the same in HKD) and second, I like to stay close in rank to my friends of a similar size. At 6'4", sparring with the kids can be fun (gives me a chance to learn to coach a bit), but it's not as much of an actual sparring experience as it is when I work with the other adults. Additionally, I help teach some of the junior classes (assisting the regular instructors by working with the junior belt folks on their requirements). So, with my teacher hat on, the belts help me to know what to expect of a student. If a student does not progress, I start getting a little concerned that they are losing interest, but the lack of progress doesn't bug me or anything. Good luck with your training, Mary! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: foxdragon@cuttingedge.net Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 07:55:37 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: reasons for practicing Mary, welcome to the hopefully continuing growing number of older ladies joining the martial arts. A lot have experienced the same path as you and sometimes feel the same way. To see my instructor do things and think I could never do that. I have proven myself wrong so many times. They show you how and in time and practice you will be like them or as some say better than them. That is what mine strives for that his students will be better than he. I have been in this art for over three years and since you will be coming back to the wonderful world of Wisconsin you can keep in contact and we can meet once in a while. I did find their are no kyukido school in Madison I am afraid. Closest would be us or Janesville. Both over a hours drive. Lots of hapkido and tkd schools in Madison though so I do not think you will have a problem. I am glad you learned how to drive. It is a good independence isn't it? I waited until I was 20 before I got my license and get irritated at any woman that does not know how to drive and can if they want to. I depended on others to get me somewhere until I was sexually assaulted by a taxi cab driver. No more. I learned to drive and continued on with my life. I love driving. I know how you feel about the arts. I cannot get enough of this either. My interest is renewed with the drive on how close I am to achieving the first of my mountain climbs. That is what I consider martial arts is. A group of us climbing a mountain. Some will give up early, some halfway, instructor helps you over some of the cliffs, some he makes you do on your own. When you get to the top only then do you see. There are many more mountains to climb. To chose this path is a hard one. I wish to continue it despite some things that happen here. Realize not all act in the same manner and there are some worthy of respect way more than others. Gain your own respect Mary and remember these sayings. "Quitters Never Win and Winners Never Quit." "A Black Belt is a White Belt that Never Gave Up" Donna - -- Me and my shadow ------------------------------ From: "Silke Schulz" Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:14:00 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #219 Dave Steffan wrote: >I blew mine about a year ago - a student accidentally came down on >my leg and bucked the knee inwards. It really sucked - I went into >shock and everything (that's a very interesting experience, BTW ;-) Can't say I had this experience. Perhaps I can hope it means that I didn't actually destroy my ACL?? >What they did to me was take a graft from the patellar tendon - that >is, the tendon that connects the kneecap to the lower leg. They take >a thin slice out of the middle, including a little chunk of bone on >each end. This sounds similar to what they did to my ankles back in 72...using the tendon of my leg to restabilize my ankle in similar fashion. >It's not a particularly pleasant procedure, but it's worked out >pretty well for me. If I were a runner or football player or >something, I would have said the knee was 100% 8 months after >surgery. As martial artists, we're a bit more demanding - it would >have been close to 100% after a year, except A) my rehab was >interrupted by a minor back injury, and B) I ran into some >complications (cartilage - argh). Have you been able to spar since you recovered from the surgery? What about the "mental" recovery, like overcoming the fear of re-injury? >BTW if you can find a knee expert who's affiliated with your local >NFL club, I'd try to see him/her. Most of what we know about >rebuilding knees AFAIK was essentially funded by NFL team owners. ;-) Well, unfortunately, since the Raiders went back to Oakland and the Rams returned to St. Louis, we don't have any local NFL franchises. But if you know someone willing to start one, I know there are many fans in LA who'd be happy to have someone to root for again!! ;-) Thanks for the info. I've saved it for my first chat with an Orthopod. Silke ------------------------------ From: rjorr@exis.net Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:16:16 -500 Subject: the_dojang: Korean Taijiquan? Can anyone tell me if the korean Martial heritage includes taijiquan? Is there a Korean version of taijuquan, or do Korean martial artists simply study one of the Chinese schools (Yang, Chen, Sun, etc) Any insight would be welcomed! Jaimie Orr Dragon Connections Virgina Beach, VA ------------------------------ From: MJD99AB@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:34:17 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Master Pedro Rodriguez In a message dated 4/3/00 8:41:44 AM US Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Has anyone ever heard of the International Combat Hapkido Federation, John Pellegrini, or Pedro Rodriguez? These guys are doing a seminar near me. They are teaching Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu as part of the seminar. Does anyone know if either of these guys is good at Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu? >> Hi, I am a Black Belt in Combat Hapkido (ICHF) under Grand Master John Pellegrini and Ive trained with him and Master Rodriguez for several years. The ground grappling program in Combat Hapkido is geared more for street applications than tournament BJJ. Master Rodrigues has trained in BJJ as well as other ground fighting systems. He does teach many BJJ techniques (I train with Carlson Gracie Jr.), but they usually add a strike/joint/pressure point that is not usually "allowed" in BJJ, but most of the principles are based on BJJ. He also has a set of video tapes (both for the Hapkido Program and Master Rodrigues has tapes for the ground grappling program). You might want to try the seminar and form your own opinion. They will be in Chicago on April 29..if you want more info..let me know. Mark Daley Combat Hapkido/BJJ ------------------------------ From: Morgan Kochel Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:08:22 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Breathing Neal wrote (in part): > I guess I looked at it as a demonstration and tried not to focus on the > "test" aspect. The biggest problem was breath control. I found that the > kicking patterns can wind you if you breathe improperly. (No, I have not > figured out how to breathe properly.) That's a good topic. Does anyone hear know how to breathe properly? I get winded doing our warmups! We do Dan Jun breathing, but it doesn't seem to help. Any ideas from anyone out there? Thanks for your story about your test, Neal. Very informative! I have that blood sugar problem, too. I have to eat right before workouts, which makes me a bit tired, but it's better than passing out from a blood sugar drop! Pilseung! Morgan ------------------------------ From: Morgan Kochel Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:12:52 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: First BB Test Chris wrote: > The temporary belt is awarded in recognition of the testee doing a good job. > Results are tallied after the test and are privately gone over with the > instructor in about a week. They are quite in depth and there are analyses > of every part of the test (patterns, basic techniques, flying kicks, step > sparring, semi free sparring, free sparring, breaking, self defense, > terminology). At the next testing (about two months later) the permanent > belt is awarded signifying passing in every area and having gone over the > results with the instructor so you have an idea what you need to improve on. Ah! This sounds like a great idea to me. I wouldn't want my black belt unless I was confident that I did a perfect job. Otherwise, I'd be doubting my abilities for the rest of my life. >> Awww. You didn't get the boots and red cape like another poster >talked >> about? ;-) :-) I can completely sympathize, though. The >BB is really >> "built up" in our culture as if it's the end-all of >training. Sometimes I >> dislike the idea of ranks all together. > > Indeed. Many of the Koreans I have met have been like "so what" when we > discussed rank and I told them I was a black belt. Maybe this was because > they were about 7th or 8th dan, though ;-). Could be! It's easy to ignore rank when you're that high, I suppose. At my level (7th Gup), I admit I'm still goal-oriented like most Americans. I hate that about American training, actually. It keeps us from focusing on the training in the moment rather than the next belt. >> Thank you for sharing that with us! It's nice to know you black >belts are >> human, too. ;-) > > Shh, don't let on you know. I promise. ;-) Pilseung! Morgan ------------------------------ From: Morgan Kochel Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:17:08 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Any Good MA Organizations? Can someone recommend an organization for a student of Tang Soo Do that actually helps the students in some way instead of just school owners? I don't want to join an organization just to join, but I would like to know if there is one out there that has informative newsletters and/or training courses, etc., for students. Particularly for Tang Soo Do or Korean Arts in general. Thanks in advance for your help! Pilseung, Morgan ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #220 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.