From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #221 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 3 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 221 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #219 the_dojang: Tang Soo Do/Hap Ki Do in Berkeley, CA. the_dojang: TaeGuek Sa-Jang the_dojang: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED - Women's Self Defence the_dojang: Re: TaeGuek Sa-jang the_dojang: Re: ICHF Master Pedro Rodriguez? the_dojang: ACL injury the_dojang: Re: Breathing ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800+ members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:51:58 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #219 In a message dated 4/3/00 8:43:05 AM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Has anyone ever heard of the International Combat Hapkido Federation, John Pellegrini, or Pedro Rodriguez? >> Hi, I am a 4th dan in TKD and a second in Combat Hapkido. John Pellegrini is an outstanding martial artist and instructor. I have trained with him on several occassions. I have never met or trained with Pedro Rodriguez so can't comment on him. You cannot go wrong attending this seminar. Go for it and let us know how you enjoyed it. Gary Pieratt ------------------------------ From: Will Lowe Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Tang Soo Do/Hap Ki Do in Berkeley, CA. Hello there ... I'll be moving to Emeryville, CA (about 2 miles south of Berkeley) over Easter weekend (22/23 April), and so I won't be able to attend my dojang in Delaware anymore. :) Can anyone recommend good dojangs in the area? I've been studying both World Tang Soo Do Assn. TSD and Sin Moo Hap Ki Do at my current studio; I'd like to continue in both ... Will - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | harpo@udel.edu lowe@cis.udel.edu lowe@debian.org lowe@asel.udel.edu | | http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ | | PGP Public Key: http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/index.html#pgpkey | - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Weller Tractor Salvage Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:52:01 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: TaeGuek Sa-Jang IMATC@aol.com Wrote in a post: <> here is a question for those TKD stylist who practice TaeGuek Sa-Jang. As you begin with a double knife hand block to the midsection, you follow with dropping your lead hand and spear with the rear. Personally I practice it as double knife block, circle the wrist (counterclock) then drop the hand. Why? If you are blocking outward, what are you pushing down? By circling, you are still attaching to the hand you just blocked. You may say to protect against the other hand from attacking. From practice, the alignment is off. If I block say the opponents right hook with the double, then press down the straight left with the palm block, the spear hand is over by the shoulder is full speed. It opposes the way taught to me by my instructors and just wantedother points of view. For all practical purposes, it is a nerve strike to shoulder and pectoral ligaments, but never remember anyone putting it like that to me. Just confused on some points of this choice of combination. <> I have been instructed to, after the double knife hand MS block, to pull both hands back to the ready position (at the waist). Then as you step forward you execute the spear thurst with your right hand, while the left is palm down under the right elbow to parry a possible front kick. I was told that the spear thrust and block should be done simultaneously. I am told this is the common usage for this maneauver in Taeguek Poomse, while in the Palgwe Poomse when a similar move is done (as in Palgwe sa-jang, & palgwe Oh-jang) the block is done first followed by the spear thrust. I believe the target for the spear hand is the solar plexus in Taeguek sa-jang. My guess for the difference in the two techniques between the different poomse is that the Taeguek forms tend to focus on speed and have many more upright (walking) stances, whereas the Palgwe forms emphasize power (and deeper stances). Now, and as always, this is strictly my humble opinion, subject to reversal, correction or outright deletion. Thanks dave weller student (WTF TKD) "Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. Practice ten thousand hours and you learn about yourself." Myamoto Musashi ------------------------------ From: Scott Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 19:53:53 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED - Women's Self Defence > From: "Muir, Jim" > Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:11:37 +1000 > Subject: the_dojang: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED - Women's Self Defence > > The Canberra Division of Taekwondo Australia is looking to develop a women's > self defence program. The vision is to be able to provide a program which > is more than just an eight week course. We would like the program to > provide an opportunity for ongoing development and practice of techniques > learned, and some aerobic conditioning. One way of doing this would be to > bring participants from an initial self defence course into our taekwondo > program, however some participants may not wish to get involved martial > arts. > > I am sure others have pondered this before us. I would be most appreciative > if you could share approaches which you have tried and comment on how they > have worked. I would also welcome any information on what material you > consider most appropriate to an initial 8 week course for women's self > defence. > > Jim Muir > Email jim.muir@cbr.defence.gov.au Hey Jim, I run an ongoing woman's selfdefense course. The format is that they learn basic skills and then continue to build on them. There is no limit to the time that they can spend in the course. The Idea being that you have to continually pratice the techniques to keep them sharp. The longer they train the more things they learn. We cover lots of things that aren't covered in a regular martial arts class. So that both experanced martial arts and novices can get something out of it. This allows women that don't want to train in a regular martial arts class to have something they can train in. However I've found that after about 6 months if they don't cross over to the regular martial arts class the they will start to fade. They just don't have the dedication to stick with it for much longer. If you want more info on what I teach in the class sent me some email off list and I can send you my course outline and homework. Good luck Scott ------------------------------ From: Scott Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 20:06:34 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: TaeGuek Sa-jang The way I learned it was that the person is double punching. Either with both hands of a double jabbing with the same hand. The double knife blocks the first punch to the outside, the downward block deflects the second. You don't have to move your hand because the attacker will be readjusting his aim back inside your block. The spear hand is directed to the solar plexis over the top of the punching hand. That's just the way I was taught it. Scott > From: IMATC@aol.com > Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:31:30 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: TaeGuek Sa-jang > > here is a question for those TKD stylist who practice TaeGuek Sa-Jang. As > you begin with a double knife hand block to the midsection, you follow with > dropping your lead hand and spear with the rear. Personally I practice it > as double knife block, circle the wrist (counterclock) then drop the hand. > Why? If you are blocking outward, what are you pushing down? By circling, > you are still attaching to the hand you just blocked. You may say to protect > against the other hand from attacking. From practice, the alignment is off. > If I block say the opponents right hook with the double, then press down the > straight left with the palm block, the spear hand is over by the shoulder is > full speed. It opposes the way taught to me by my instructors and just > wantedother points of view. For all practical purposes, it is a nerve strike > to shoulder and pectoral ligaments, but never remember anyone putting it like > that to me. Just confused on some points of this choice of combination. ------------------------------ From: Scott Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 20:22:54 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: ICHF Master Pedro Rodriguez? > From: "John Bennett" > Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:47:58 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: ICHF Master Pedro Rodriguez? > > Has anyone ever heard of the International Combat Hapkido Federation, > John Pellegrini, or Pedro Rodriguez? > > These guys are doing a seminar near me. They are teaching Brazilian > Jiu-Jitsu as part of the seminar. Does anyone know if either of these > guys is good at Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu? Master Pedro Rodriguez trained with one of the Gracies for a couple of years, Carlson I beleave. He is very good on the ground. I have been to several of their double impact seminars, the hapkido is pretty watered down for advanced students, but I always enjoyed Master Rodriguez's session. He is very quick on the ground, and I love the pain he can inflict with his neck cranks and chokes. One thing he says is that he isn't teaching you BJJ, just some techniques for BJJ. ------------------------------ From: Dave Steffen Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:45:38 -0600 (MDT) Subject: the_dojang: ACL injury > From: "Silke Schulz" > > Dave Steffan wrote: > > >I blew mine about a year ago - a student accidentally came down on > >my leg and bucked the knee inwards. It really sucked - I went into > >shock and everything (that's a very interesting experience, BTW > >;-) > > Can't say I had this experience. Perhaps I can hope it means that I > didn't actually destroy my ACL?? Not necessarily. I was working reasonably hard at the time, and my body tends to react poorly to serious injuries when I'm working out - the blood pressure drops quickly, all that. As an example, Denver's star running back Terrel Davis had _almost_ exactly the same thing happen to him the 3rd game of last year's season: he was running, and a guy came down on his knee from the side. (I knew it was an ACL as soon as I saw the replay, and was literally sqirming in sympathetic agony). But it didn't actualy _hurt_ him that much. He walked over to the sideline with a mild limp, then they took him into the locker room. He knew immediately what had happened, but AFAIK didn't go into shock, or even experience much pain. BTW, with my injury, there was enough collateral damage to the MCL that it wasn't immediately clear that the ACL was gone. They waited for two weeks, until the swelling had gone down, before doing a joint stability test... and even then they weren't sure (my knee was still suprisingly stable without the ACL). We then did an NMRI scan, which quite clearly showed two little stumps of tissue where the ACL was supposed to be. Moral of the story - maybe you've blown the ACL, maybe not. Go ask the doctor. And be prepared for an NMRI scan anyway. > Have you been able to spar since you recovered from the surgery? > What about the "mental" recovery, like overcoming the fear of > re-injury? I ran into some complications - essentially, the slightly different geometry exposed a minor (and pre-existing) cartilage problem, that I've been trying to deal with. So, for one thing, I'm not sparring yet - although, I should have been. However, the ACL thing is pretty much totally healed. Right now I'm just working on the minor, but very annoying, cartilage problem. I can also tell you that the 'mental' recovery is going to be much harder and longer than the physical one. Ten years ago this would have been a carrer-ending injury - i.e. no more TKD (at least, no more _performing_ TKD, which for me is the same thing). And I now realize that a future without kicking scares the holy bejeezus out of me. So, am I going to guard the knee a bit? Yes, absolutely. I also find myself limping when I don't need to, standing with all my weight on the other leg for no good reason... this will all go away, of course, but not until I'm back training regularly. > Well, unfortunately, since the Raiders went back to Oakland and the > Rams returned to St. Louis, we don't have any local NFL > franchises. But if you know someone willing to start one, I know > there are many fans in LA who'd be happy to have someone to root > for again!! ;-) You wouldn't be the first out-of-state person to come to sunny Fort Collins specifically to see Dr. Trumper. If you're not happy with your doc out there, and you can afford it, I'd recommend it. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Steffen Wave after wave will flow with the tide Dept. of Physics And bury the world as it does Colorado State University Tide after tide will flow and recede steffend@lamar.colostate.edu Leaving life to go on as it was... - Peart / RUSH "The reason that our people suffer in this way.... is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi ------------------------------ From: Scott Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 20:50:18 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Breathing I've seen several different ways of doing Dan Jun breathing. Most are practiced from a horse stance. The one I found the most intresting started from a static stance and moved through 9 levels up to breathing while jumping. I've found that breath control can pospone running out of breath but not prevent it. The other thing that I found it useful for is to releave the damage when you get hit. I'm curious what techniques the Master instructors on this list teach. And how they put them to use. > From: Morgan Kochel > Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:08:22 -0400 > Subject: the_dojang: Breathing > > That's a good topic. Does anyone hear know how to breathe properly? I get > winded doing our warmups! We do Dan Jun breathing, but it doesn't seem to > help. Any ideas from anyone out there? > > Thanks for your story about your test, Neal. Very informative! I have that > blood sugar problem, too. I have to eat right before workouts, which makes > me a bit tired, but it's better than passing out from a blood sugar drop! > > Pilseung! > Morgan ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #221 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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