From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #223 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 5 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 223 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: A Special Team the_dojang: Re: Women's Self Defence the_dojang: Tang Soo Do/Hap Ki Do in Berkeley, CA. the_dojang: neck cranks the_dojang: Our Own Tao the_dojang: Breath Control Approach the_dojang: Re: a good website the_dojang: Tang So Do and Hap Ki Do in Berkeley the_dojang: Songahm forms the_dojang: tkd sparring the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #222 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #222 the_dojang: RE: Neck Cranks the_dojang: Korea the_dojang: Taekwondo photos the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #222 the_dojang: Hapkido as a Korean martial art the_dojang: a primer on Buddhism the_dojang: Modern Taekwondo, WTF & ITF the_dojang: Seminars in the Southern California area the_dojang: Thank you - tough 90 year old the_dojang: Breathing. the_dojang: Hawrang pattern the_dojang: Back to Normal ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800+ members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jsegovia@mindspring.com Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:29:39 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: A Special Team Thanks, Piotr, for reminding us what it's all about. Very nice post. Jesse Piotr wrote: > I saw another side of Taekwondo that day, far from the professional Olympic > teams (not meant disrespectful here), money and political issues, I saw > kids from two countries becoming one team and having a lot of fun at what > they did together. And that was really something worth working for. ------------------------------ From: CBAUGHN@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:30:06 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Women's Self Defence Scott wrote: << However I've found that after about 6 months if they don't cross over to the regular martial arts class the they will start to fade. They just don't have the dedication to stick with it for much longer. >> Hi Scott, I'm relatively sure you didn't mean to be making "one of those remarks" about women, but it kind of came out that way as I read it. My question would be how many PEOPLE would stick with a self defense course for more than six months? Sally cbaughn@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Tom Marker Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:31:14 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Tang Soo Do/Hap Ki Do in Berkeley, CA. Will, Since I'm completely ignorant of what cities are close to each other in California, I'll direct you to the World Tang Soo Do Association page for Region 1, which lists all of the certified studios in California: http://www.worldtangsoodo.com/regions/region1.htm You might also want to call the WTSDA headquarters (215)468-2121 to see if they can suggest a studio. Tang Soo! Tom >Hello there ... >I'll be moving to Emeryville, CA (about 2 miles south of Berkeley) over >Easter weekend (22/23 April), and so I won't be able to attend my dojang >in Delaware anymore. :) >Can anyone recommend good dojangs in the area? I've been studying both >World Tang Soo Do Assn. TSD and Sin Moo Hap Ki Do at my current studio; >I'd like to continue in both ... ------------------------------ From: "Tomlinson, Michael E." Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:02:40 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: neck cranks Neck Cranks have been around for a very long time, they are basically considered wrestling techniques and not BJJ techniques.. when you do neck cranks with someone else you have to be very respectful and careful!!! These techniques are made to actually dislocate the vertebrae--- yikes-- very deadly. You should always listen very closely for the tapping when you apply neck cranks and don't just go full out and try to do them full force and full power,,, personally I love neck cranks because they work on everyone,,, I like to go for a choke and then end up with a neck crank, sometimes people will concentrate so hard on blocking the choke that they don't even think about the crank. Michael Tomlinson ------------------------------ From: Morgan Kochel Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 11:52:03 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Our Own Tao Gary wrote: > I entered Bill Wallace into "search" and came up with many sites. One site is > pornographic. Does anyone know if that site is the Bill Wallace we know? I > sure hope not. Please let's not pick on people for what they do in their spare time. We don't know if that is the same person or not. Let us all concentrate on *ourselves* and *our* training. Just a thought. Pilseung! Morgan ------------------------------ From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:50:25 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Breath Control Approach In a message dated 4/4/00 10:08:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Breath Control Approach >> I found this advise valuable and I strive for similar breath control in my practice of forms. But for your interest, allow me to share a contradictory experience. I was practicing my form with a 9th Dan Korean TKD Master. I was exhaling audibly with the execution of each technique. He chastised me for this, and told me that while my breath should be controlled in this way, it should not be audible. If it is audible, he said, an opponent could know when you have exhaled and thus when you are due to inhale, and then time an attack to hit you when you are inhaling, which would make a blow to your chest or abdomen much more damaging if not lethal. I wonder what others would say to this. Jose' ------------------------------ From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:01:26 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: a good website I would like to recommend a good website, which I mentioned on another list but it did not seem to get much interest. It is: www.atriumsoc.org. This site would be particularly interesting to those who teach children. It is the site for T. Webster Doyle's organization on using martial arts to teach kids about conflict resolution and how to deal with bullies, etc. He is a psychologist and a 6th Dan in Karate. I like his books and his approach a lot. Does anyone else know his books? Check out the site and let me know what you think. (I have no relationship with this organization so this isn't advertisement. I just like it). Jose' ------------------------------ From: "White Lotus" Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:10:49 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Tang So Do and Hap Ki Do in Berkeley > I'll be moving to Emeryville, CA (about 2 miles south of Berkeley) over > Easter weekend (22/23 April), and so I won't be able to attend my dojang > in Delaware anymore. :) > > Can anyone recommend good dojangs in the area? I've been studying both > World Tang Soo Do Assn. TSD and Sin Moo Hap Ki Do at my current studio; > I'd like to continue in both ... Will, UC Berkeley has a well respected, excellent Martial Arts program offering WTF style Tae Kwon Do and Hap Ki Do. The only negative I have heard about their programs are they are VERY crowded (floor space is hard to find for throwing and grappling during the evening and afternoon classes), and they are oriented more to students than a full range of people; young, old, individuals and familys, etc. My dojang is in Piedmont, CA, just next to Emeryville. We offer WTF style TKD under Master Bolanos, who came out of the UC Berkeley program. He was a past Pan American champion and last Year's Gold medalist in Poomse and Silver in Gyorugi at the 1999 National Seniors. Great guy and wonderful instructor. He does a good job of integrating the "traditional" and the "sports" aspects of WTF TKD. Please email me at whtlotus@nichiren.org if you would like to visit and try working out with us. Regards, Mark Herrick 1st Dan, Kukkiwon ------------------------------ From: burdickd Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:16:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Songahm forms Hi! Does anyone know what the translation for Songahm is? This is the set of forms taught by the A.T.A. Thanks, Dakin burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: foxdragon@cuttingedge.net Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 11:42:04 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: tkd sparring At the tournament my instructor noticed how poorly though they placed well did at sparring. They just stood there. It is his own fault and he admitted it. We worked too much at forms and not enough at sparring. He said that his students just stood there, rooted basically, instead of moving around and bouncing. Needless to say he took this poor showing personally. He started on sparring techniques last nite. Lining up like you do for one steps. While both of us bouncing and moving around the person opposite of you would just slightly jump in and we were to counter with a kick. Another technique would be the partner jump in and jab and we'd counter also. In doing this I twisted my ankle last nite. Not bad. It will be stiff and I can still play but I wonder something. Was I too much on the balls of my feet for this to happen? If so, what is the correct way? I also learned hawrang last nite. Not the way I usually learn it and I was miffed. If he does this to me again tonite I AM going to have a long and private chat with him. The way he taught it was to go through it all the way instead of maybe going through 6 steps and go back and do it over again. It was too fast and I had no idea what I did. I was totally lost and still am. I felt what he did to me last nite was wrong and I felt put down when I asked him to slow down so I could see what he was doing. Donna - -- Me and my shadow ------------------------------ From: Will Lowe Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #222 > > I'll be moving to Emeryville, CA (about 2 miles south of Berkeley) > over > Easter weekend (22/23 April), and so I won't be able to attend my > dojang > in Delaware anymore. :) Ray wrote: > I was going to hook you up with a Sin Moo instructor that used to teach > in Pinole (just north of where you will be), but it seems he has moved. > I just called Grandmaster JI to see if he had the new address/phone for > this instructor, Master Francisco Abungan, but he did not. Sorry... Thanks, Ray. I'll check with our school and see if anyone there knows how to track him down. Does anyone know anything about Master L. Dorsey (www.sinmoohapkido.com)? Will - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | harpo@udel.edu lowe@cis.udel.edu lowe@debian.org lowe@asel.udel.edu | | http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ | | PGP Public Key: http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/index.html#pgpkey | - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:00:03 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #222 In a message dated 4/4/00 7:07:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I saw another side of Taekwondo that day, far from the professional Olympic teams (not meant disrespectful here), money and political issues, I saw kids from two countries becoming one team and having a lot of fun at what they did together. And that was really something worth working for. >> Congratulations and it sounds like you have a great program going there ! And from two countries ! Yes, I like to see that in our young ... learning how to be friends and have fun together like that. I applaud what you are doing ... keep up the good work ! Illona ------------------------------ From: Scott Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:49:10 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Neck Cranks Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:00:15 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Korea There seems to be a misunderstanding when I attended the instructors program it was my third time visiting Korea,And my first trip I lived there 17 months.And I have been there on Five occasions to train and Live and I also had four letters of recommendation to attend the program and these instructors still live and train there.And I have an open door reception with them. Hal ------------------------------ From: "Mitar or Marko" Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:11:04 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: Taekwondo photos Hi everyone, I would appreciate very much if anybody could send me some photos of TKD matches or any kind of atractive photos related to Tae Kwon Do. I need them for my home page. It already exists, and you are all invited to see it. There are lots of informations about TKD there, but no photos at all, so I need them very much. Thanks, Mitar - -------------------------------------- Mitar and Marko E - mail: tkwd@drenik.net Home page: http://home.drenik.net/tkwd - -------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Paul Rogers" Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:14:01 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #222 ><> >Are you in Round Rock just north of Austin? The reason I am asking is that >your name sounds familiar. Have you ever studied hapkido or WTF taekwondo? >Jere Yup, I'm in the northeast suburbs :). But, nope, I never studied hapkido or WTF TKD, although the former fascinates me. I barely have time to practice ATA TKD and my other fave, taijiquan.... Thanks for asking... Paul Rogers ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:12:35 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido as a Korean martial art I appreciate Master Whalen's post on Korea Hapkido Association system of titles. It is consistent with the modern standards within the martial arts community in Korea. Let's discuss hapkido in the context of Korean martial arts. As more and more scholars are pointing out, Korean martial arts are really modern, not traditional. In other words, Korea does not enjoy martial arts tradition like Bushido in Japan. I believe that the Bushido culture was transplated to Korea alongwith Karate, Judo, Kendo, and Yawara. This is not a bad thing. Rather, Koreans and the Korean martial art community should take advantage of the situation that they're in. Since popular Korean martial arts is relatively new, this creates for oppurtunities for innovation in all areas. The Korea Hapkido Association, the Korea Hapkido Federation, the International Hapkido Federation, and Korea Sin Moo Hapkido have historically Koreanized the martial art the Yong Sool Choi brought with him to Korea. They modernized the techniques to be more applicable to the street. They also introduced Korean philosophy such as the Nine Virtues and Three Values, namely Jung-eui "Righteousness", Ye-eui "Courtesy", and In-nae "Perserverence." Korean traditioanl weapons, such as the Korean staff and short stick were introduced, as well as the new weapon, the cane. I believe that the traditional fighting concepts and core techniques of Hapkido should be maintained, that a Koreanized Bushido "Warrior's Code" should be taught, and that the Korean spirit of "whatever works" innovation and development continue. What is absolutely essential is maintaining quality and reputation of Hapkido. Even though there will always be frauds, Hapkido will die if it overtaken with them. Otherwise, Hapkido will develop into a flourishing and truly Korean martial art. I welcome Hapkido practitioners' comments on this. What do you think of Hapkido's future? Sincerely, Michael Choi ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:12:34 EDT Subject: the_dojang: a primer on Buddhism On my last posting on Buddhism, I forgot to briefly described Buddhism in response to the comment that mushim is a nice concept, but not one to live by. Mushim must be put in the context of Buddhist doctrine. First of all, Buddhism maintains that all deeds and thoughts are extensions of the conscious mind and that these deeds/thoughts always have results/consequences. Therefore human existence is caught in a constant cycle of "cause and effect" called Samsara, which is sanskrit for "the Wheel of Life and Death." Mankind's actions is based on Ignorance (Avidya) or false perception of reality. They think that there is nothing beyond the material or physical. Therefore they constantly crave and seek after these things. Buddhism maintains that when one realizes the True Nature, they will forsake their base desires and free themselves from Samsara, ultimately achieving Nirvana, Freedom and Unity with the "Universal Mind." The study and application of Buddhist doctrine and meditation help to achieve Nirvana. Mushim is the doctrine of emptying one's mind of superfluous thoughts and base desires. (Personal note, I am not Buddhist, but an evangelical Christian. There are some interesting teachings in Buddhism, but I believe that one finds the Ultimate fulfillment only through Jesus.) Sincerely, Michael Choi ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:12:37 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Modern Taekwondo, WTF & ITF This is my (Michael Choi) posting for today. Some of you are probably wondering why I haven't been posting recently. I intended to post these three postings a long time ago, but I have been extremely busy with work, meetings with dignitaries, and writing an article on Buddhism in Korea for Hapkido Mooyekwan's newsletter. I truly appreciate Steven Capener's paper on development of WTF Taekwondo and his argument that it has developed a truly Korean martial art/sport. I remember seeing a Hangul Taekwondo magazine from the 60's/70's. There was no difference between the Taekwondo techniques and Karate. This is supported by the historical documentation of Taekwondo's original kwan founders who mostly documented trainees of Karate. Only through the development of a sport that was (and is) radically different from Karate did Taekwondo develop its own set of techniques, visibly different than Karate (see Part III, Subsection 2 of Capener's paper). As having served as (Kukkiwon 9th Dan, Chungdokwan 9th Dan) Grandmaster Hae Man Park's translator at US Chungdowan Assoc. seminars, I understand that the Taegeuk forms is also part of this evolution. As he told me, Kukkiwon Taekwondo no longer uses the traditional/Karate-like deep, wide stances in order to transition Taekwondo from a defensive strategy-oriented system to a offensive strategy-oriented system. It is easier to move forward in a faster way with the new stances. But, I also have respect for Gen. Hong Hi Choi's work in Taekwondo. He was the first one to develop a new set of forms, a truly Korean set that came from his research. (I am also intrigued by this Sine Curve concept. If it truly is effective, then he has helped Koreanize Taekwondo by introducing a new technique/concept to the art.) I think the Chang-Hon set was popular in the US until the WTF starting dominating. Both the Taegeuk and the Chang-hon set are philosophically Korean. Taegeuk is based on neo-Confucianism, which is at the very heart of Korean society even today. (The Great King Sejong instituted neo-Confucianism as the official state ideology.) Chang-hon forms are named after the most famous icons in Korean history, such as Won-Hyo, Yul-gok, Sejong, Hwarang. The WTF and ITF has worked exclusively from each other for so long that it would be difficult for the two organizations to merge their Taekwondo styles into one. Also, there are big political barriers (and probably a lot of bad blood) between the two organizations. Nevertheless, I think that WTF & ITF certified master instructors approach each other and appreciate each other. (Personally, if anyone understands the two "sub-styles" it would definitely be Grandmaster Hee-Il Cho and possibly Dr. He Young Kimm, if Dr. Kimm knows the Chang Hon set as well.) I think that modern, scientific WTF & ITF Taekwondo continue to innovate and develop while staying true to traditional Korean values of loyalty, respect, and hard work. Sincerely, Michael Choi ------------------------------ From: "aparedes" Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:42:52 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Seminars in the Southern California area I was just wondering if anyone knew about any upcoming M.A (Korean style or grappling) seminars in the Southern California area near Los Angeles or San Bernardino. ( I live right in between the 2). Please let me know Thank you! Alex Paredes aparedes@gateway.net Changmookwan@email.com ICQ#17642186 Yahoo ID# black_belt_3 AOL messenger name: Changmookwan www.geocities.com/colosseum/arena/8129 ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:32:07 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Thank you - tough 90 year old Thank you to everyone for the well wishes for my grandfather, both private and on the lists. He has so far proved all of the doctors wrong. This last Friday he was able to return to Helena from Billings, 9 days after the surgery. He is in the transitional care unit now, and they say if he keeps going like he is, he may be able to go home in two or three weeks. He's doing a great job of beating the odds, so I hope he continues! Thanks again, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: CMPorter@webtv.net (Chris Porter) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 04:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Breathing. Someone asked about breathing, and how to make it through class without being totally out of breath.(I think!) This is the way we do it at my school. Always inhale as you get ready or contract, always exhale as you execute the technique or expand. Here is the hard part always breath in and out through your NOSE !!, except when you kihap.( I have not figured out how to do that through my nose!) This is hard to do but once you get used to it you may find you can practice longer and harder with less effort. Here is my own advice go running with your mouth closed the whole time, distance is not a issue but you must push yourself in the cardio area. I am 33 years old but train for 6+ hours every Monday(I train everyday) and then can run the two mile home afterward, when I started training four years ago I was out of breath at the top of the stairs!!! This has worked for me, I make no other claims. Thank you,Chris. ------------------------------ From: CA&B Skjold Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:10:17 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Hawrang pattern Hawrang pattern...What is this? Is this an advanced or Black Belt Pattern? I know what the Hawrangdo codes are but am not familiar the pattern. Anne Skjold 7th Gup WTF TKD ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Back to Normal Hello from Normal, Illinois... Yes, Normal, Illinois... :) Ray ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #223 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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