From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #225 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 6 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 225 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Taekwondo Dagger Form the_dojang: What do you think?? the_dojang: Re: The future of Hapkido the_dojang: Re: a primer on Buddhism the_dojang: Re: Songahm the_dojang: Breathing Technique Approaches the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #224 the_dojang: Re: Digest #??? gifts for instructor the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #223 the_dojang: HwaRang the_dojang: TaeGuek Sa-Jang the_dojang: Normal Illinois the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #220 [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800+ members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stovall, David C." Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:11:08 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Taekwondo Dagger Form Clive wrote, "Does anyone know/know about the Taekwondo dagger form? I've only ever heard of it a few times in passing. Many thanks." The Chin Mu Kwan TKD federation has a form called "Dando". This may be the form that you are referring to. I learned it after reaching 1st dan level in this particular federation. From what I recall, it had fallen out of the mainline curriculum, and was no longer required for testing purposes. I was taught the form after I had asked my instructor about (I too had heard of it in passing), and he then showed it to me "for the heck of it". Dando may have been reinstated as a requirement since that time, but I don't know since I haven't been involved with Chin Mu Kwan in an official capacity since around 1991. Personally, I don't like the form. It has little redeeming value whatsoever when it comes to imparting proper knife-fighting techniques and body mechanics. It utilizes mostly traditional stepping patterns (not a good idea to be rooted in a side stance during a knife fight), and the knife techniques themselves consist mainly of wide, arcing slashes. It's an interesting form, but almost totally devoid of any fighting context. This is not a knock on Chin Mu Kwan, since I respect their approach. Just illustrates that you don't go to driving school to learn how to fly, and you don't look to TKD to learn how to use a knife. Just my opinion. ------------------------------ From: YMCATKD@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:44:20 EDT Subject: the_dojang: What do you think?? Questions for everyone..... 1) What type of tournement do you prefer......WTF TKD(olympic style) or the point style(no or very light contact)?? 2) Do you think sport is good or bad for martial arts? (Be sure to provide your reasons) 3) What do you think about meditation (proper breathing) being taught in the dojang? Is it taught in your school? Andy ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:28:43 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The future of Hapkido Jesse, I'm also a member of Korea Hapkido Mooyekwan Association :-) Anyway, I agree with you Hapkido should not be a vertically-structured/top-down "domination politics" style. The best hapkido is the one that is "your own" and you know works all the time for you. Sincerely, Michael Choi ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:28:42 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: a primer on Buddhism Mark Herrick is right with regards to the "Consciousness Only" school of Buddhism. I wrote on this specific school because it is the one that I am most familiar from my studies in Korean history. By the way, studying all the different concepts and doctrines Buddhism is probably one of the most confusing and difficult tasks. Sincerely, Michael Choi ------------------------------ From: "Paul Rogers" Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:49:06 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Songahm >>>Hey Dankin, long time no talk to. The Songahm is the style of the ATA, and I believe means "Pine Tree"? I bet Paul Rogers knows the answer.<<< He does, but the previous responses were great...8?) More factoids can be found at http://www.taekwondousa.com and http://www.NiblocksATA.com (FAQs link) Paul Rogers, Round Rock, TX ------------------------------ From: "tink73" Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:09:53 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Breathing Technique Approaches I do not wish to make a big deal out of this, but I think some of us have taking the breathing thing a little beyond the request...NOT that the added info is not helpful...it is very helpful...but the original request was for a breathing technique for training in forms...TRAINING...we were NOT talking about real life aggressive situations against an attacker...true...never let your opponent know your breathing pattern or timing...always breath through your diaphragm...not your chest...all this is true and very good advice ...but we were simply talking about when to breath on the techniques while TRAINING and PRACTICING forms IN CLASS...not on the street...you can argue that we practice for self defense on the street, but we are talking about when to inhale and exhale in forms...and learn to breath with each movement and generate power for the duration which we are practicing...all completely different than our breathing habits while in the thick of confrontation...which is a much shorter and more intense duration than practicing... As much as I appreciate the additional info on the breathing...all of which I agree with and teach...I would like to ask you to keep things in perspective and not take everything to an extreme...I am not about to tell someone something that will put them at risk or in danger when confronting an aggressor... Not to sound cynical, but Dan Jun breathing is not a mystical magical method...it is breathing and focusing from your center...which is what I thought all martial arts taught...at least all of the arts with which I have come in contact... And please don't feel it necessary to apologize for disagreeing with me...we each have our own methods and preferences and our own training and instruction...we are going to have different points of view...the idea here is to express them openly and freely and provide the readers with different perspectives and opinions on the same ideas... Thank you... The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: "Paul Rogers" Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:54:17 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #224 >>> > But, nope, I never studied hapkido or WTF TKD, although the former > fascinates me. I barely have time to practice ATA TKD and my other fave, > taijiquan.... > > You're right, Mr. Rogers - we don't see you in the region anywhere near as much as we'd like to. Fuss, fuss, fuss :-) <<< Tee hee hee...I'm pretty much of a home(school)-body. Besides, work's been kind of all-consuming lately. My daughter just suprised me recently by stating she enjoyed competing in tournaments, so we'll do better about getting around to some more in the future. Paul "Hmmm, maybe I can take THIS Saturday off" Rogers ------------------------------ From: Oregfightingarts@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:57:55 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Digest #??? gifts for instructor I dont remember who posted, but they were asking about ideas for a gift to give an instructor when you leave their school (from college?) A student once gave me a 5 x 7 photo in a frame, that had me shaking hands with the student and posing for the camera...just us in the picture...they had it enlarged and wrote a 'thank you' on the front and signed it. I still have it hanging on the wall...very nice . An instructor friend of mine once gave a small 'tanto' type knife to his instructor before his departure. On the blade, he had engraved a thank you note... Just a couple ideas. Mark Gajdostik ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:11:09 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #223 In a message dated 4/5/00 7:34:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << . Does anyone else know his books? Check out the site and let me know what you think. (I have no relationship with this organization so this isn't advertisement. I just like it). >> Jose, Yes, I have all of his books and love them ... I loan them out to the kids when they need to read something on the arts for a report. I highly recommend those books. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:43:16 EDT Subject: the_dojang: HwaRang In a message dated 4/5/00 2:41:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << HwaRang is a 1st or 2nd gup pattern in ITF style TKD >> Back when I was taking TKD ... it was a Red Belt form (we had 4 levels of Red then ... Red, 1st, 2nd, 3rd ... then Recommended Black). I have adopted it in our school because I like that form the best of all the TKD forms I had to learn in our ITF style of TKD. Illona ------------------------------ From: "j.park" Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:01:46 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: TaeGuek Sa-Jang I was taught that you excute the Knife hand Guarding block to block an attackers punch and then the attacker performs either another punch with other hand or front snap kick and you block this will a downward palm heel block and retaliate with a mid section spear finger. - ------------------------------ From: IMATC@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:31:30 EDT Subject: the_dojang: TaeGuek Sa-jang here is a question for those TKD stylist who practice TaeGuek Sa-Jang. As you begin with a double knife hand block to the midsection, you follow with dropping your lead hand and spear with the rear. Personally I practice it as double knife block, circle the wrist (counterclock) then drop the hand. Why? If you are blocking outward, what are you pushing down? By circling, you are still attaching to the hand you just blocked. You may say to protect against the other hand from attacking. From practice, the alignment is off. If I block say the opponents right hook with the double, then press down the straight left with the palm block, the spear hand is over by the shoulder is full speed. It opposes the way taught to me by my instructors and just wantedother points of view. For all practical purposes, it is a nerve strike to shoulder and pectoral ligaments, but never remember anyone putting it like that to me. Just confused on some points of this choice of combination. - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 07:07:35 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Normal Illinois Ray... So what takes you to Normal, Illinois (silent S)...Home of Illinois (silent S) State University (Bloomington/Normal actually)? Just curious. Remember ISU ...Is U! From a displaced Illinoisan (and the S is still silent) The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: "j.park" Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:06:35 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #220 Where are you from Morgan? As I know of a good TaeKwonDo association but it is in the North East of England (UK), by the name of Teuk Soo. (The assocaition I am an instructor and student in.) Teuk Soo has regular seminar/workshops for patterns (Poomse), basics, and one or three step sparring. - ------------------------------ From: Morgan Kochel Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:17:08 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Any Good MA Organizations? Can someone recommend an organization for a student of Tang Soo Do that actually helps the students in some way instead of just school owners? I don't want to join an organization just to join, but I would like to know if there is one out there that has informative newsletters and/or training courses, etc., for students. Particularly for Tang Soo Do or Korean Arts in general. Thanks in advance for your help! Pilseung, Morgan - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #225 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.