From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #228 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 7 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 228 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #227 the_dojang: Re: Questions for Everyone the_dojang: RE: What do you think?? the_dojang: Re: no-contact sparring the_dojang: Hadan Sudo the_dojang: Waldo fans... the_dojang: RE: Moja Kwan the_dojang: Where's Waldo? the_dojang: tournaments/sparring etc the_dojang: No need to apoligize the_dojang: no longer Normal ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800+ members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:21:59 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #227 In a message dated 4/7/00 7:11:13 AM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << So, it follows, non contact tournaments are no real test for the competitors nor are they a test of one's skill. I can hear you non-contact stylists screaming at me right now, I know....But it is only my opinion >> Never heard of a non-contact tournament. Open tournaments must have contact, light to medium. The problem with Olympic style is your hands are virtually useless. The full contact is great for the street, but other than that, Olympic style has a hard time translating to the street. Most street fights are won with the hands, just my humble opinion.......so don't scream too loud at me :) Gary Pieratt ------------------------------ From: "Ates, Michelle (ATESML)" Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:34:27 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Questions for Everyone 1) What type of tournament do you prefer......WTF TKD (olympic style) or the point style (no or very light contact)?? Neither, I prefer open sport karate tournaments (NASKA, RSKC). To me these are more in line with real life since you are fighting persons from any number of different styles 2) Do you think sport is good or bad for martial arts? (Be sure to provide your reasons) I believe it is good. Sport gives you an idea of how you might apply the techniques you have learned. 3) What do you think about meditation (proper breathing) being taught in the dojang? Is it taught in your school? We practice breathe control at our school. Our old satellite school practices meditation, and I can see where this can be helpful in getting students to focus and rechannel any negative energies, etc. Michelle Ates Cincinnati, OH Michelle.Ates@UC.Edu ------------------------------ From: Robert Martin Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:42:54 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: What do you think?? From: YMCATKD@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:44:20 EDT Subject: the_dojang: What do you think?? Questions for everyone..... 1) What type of tournement do you prefer......WTF TKD(olympic style) or the point style(no or very light contact)?? I like continious sparring but with out all the extra grear of WTF style. I find that control is better if competitors dont wear head grear or chest protectors. In the ITF we spar contionously without the extra equipment. 2) Do you think sport is good or bad for martial arts? (Be sure to provide your reasons) The sport aspect has been good for TKD. The WTF has done a great job of promoting TKD which has helped all TKD styles. The down side is that many schools only practice the sport part of the art. 3) What do you think about meditation (proper breathing) being taught in the dojang? Is it taught in your school? We dont teach meditation as a spearate item. We do try to teach proper breathing techniques. I dont really have an opinion either way. Taekwon Robert Martin ------------------------------ From: "Jim Griffin" Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 10:54:57 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: no-contact sparring For what it's worth, our TKD school has a club where I work. We do TKD at work at lunch three days a week and for insurance purposes, we have to practice no-contact sparring (well, no-contact everything, but you get the idea). For those of us that also practice at the regular dojang, it is *very* difficult at first to transition from a no-contact mindset. Oddly enough, going the other direction does not seem to be much of a problem. I think the big problem is that no-contact sparring tends to mess with your sense of distance (it does for me anyway and others I've talked to). I'll find myself at the dojang throwing a crescent kick inches short and every time my first thought is "dang it - wrong school / wrong rules." - ---begin quoted message--- From: Clarketkd@aol.comDate: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:00:20 EDT In my mind, it makes no sense to have non-contact sparring tournaments. I once had an instructor that said "You will act in combat, as you do in training" That means that if you practice non-contact martial arts, and are confronted/in a situation where instinct takes over, you will "pull" your punches and kicks on the aggressor, just as you do in the dojang. - ---begin quoted message--- Jim Griffin http://sitebuilder.liveuniverse.com/jgriffin/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Mac" Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:28:52 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Hadan Sudo From: "Moja Kwan - C. Richards" <> Hey Charles, I believe when I first learned this form (MDK TKD) under Master Kim Chang-soo, we also did the middle knife hand blocks (choong dan soo do mahkee). Not until I did TSD did I work on the lower knife hand blocks in Pyung-ahn Cho-dan (ha dan soo do mahkee). I'm not positive, but the Okanawan versions (Pinan Ni-Dan) may do the low blocks, and the Japanese versions (Heian Sho-Dan) do the middle blocks. Later, Mac ------------------------------ From: "Mac" Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:35:31 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Waldo fans... OK you "Find Waldo" fans, look at this picture of some of our list members and find: Michael Choi Jere Hilland JR West Rene West Geoff Booth Dennis McHenry http://users.ev1.net/~d.mchenry/images/JACKSON-022600.jpg (West's Hapkido seminar in Jackson, MS on Feb. 26, 2000) If you are in this photo and I didn't mention your name, let us know! Mac PS: I think the Waldo award goes to Michael Choi.... whom I still can't seem to find. ------------------------------ From: HwarangTSD@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:27:34 EDT Subject: the_dojang: RE: Moja Kwan We also practice Dan Kum Hyung. I was wondering if you have by chance heard of Dae Gee Hyul, which I understand means Finding the Vital Points of the Earth, and another form called Hassan. I haven't practiced these two forms in a number of years and would like to re-learn them. Anyone have any sources? Frank Clay KTMS US Representative ------------------------------ From: "Mac" Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:03:47 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Where's Waldo? Sorry, forgot: Rich Hodder See if you can find him in the photo: http://users.ev1.net/~d.mchenry/images/JACKSON-022600.jpg ------------------------------ From: Oregfightingarts@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:28:18 EDT Subject: the_dojang: tournaments/sparring etc I have competed extensively in non, full, medium contact (which meant pretty much really hard contact),1 jujutsu, and 1 ltd.holds barred tournament. All had limitations. non wasnt really realistic, but I feel that training initially in non is very important in the learning of control, besides, its fun to be able to compete and not really get injured. Full (wtf) is a total waste of time when it comes to 'real' fighting. eg-no punches to the head, which is the way that most of the world starts a fight. The power kicking that wtf full has is very important when you bring it to an 'open' tourn., and add hand techs. The heavy gi(dobok) used in jujutsu doesnt make for good street application, but again, the hands on, grappling against another human who is trying to choke you out is very beneficial in real encounters. The LTD holds barred was fun, & I got my butt kicked :) , but still within the confines of rules. In police work, I have dealt with some very real and life threatening situations. Non contact wont save your life, and a sweaty druggie doesnt wear a nice dobok to grab on to. There are also weapons to consider, and a hard surface known as concrete. I have found though, that the non and the full, let me increase or decrease the force of the blow to suit the situation (and keep me out of legal trouble), and the hapkido/jujutsu definately help control combative subjects without alot of blunt trauma. In my training, we do simulations. We recreate situations we have encountered, using lights, language, environment (empty parking lots, cars, chairs etc.) and wear full protective gear, head to toe. (less than $100 for everything...wholesale for u instructors). I have had participants from non contact to full contact schools. The ones who consistently do the best are the hapkido/jujutsu types that have cross trained in a 'stand up' art (tkd/boxing etc.) The pure 'tournament' style people always seem to pull technique... Sport is good, and it proliferates our arts, and gives us comraderie. But as many say, you will always revert back to your training when the 'merde hits the impelleaur'. I train sport to compete in sport. I train to survive combat situations by making training as realistic as possible. There are no rules when it comes to survival. Train hard, Mark Gajdostik TNT-Police Combatives ------------------------------ From: LAHapkido@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:25:13 EDT Subject: the_dojang: No need to apoligize Sa Bum Choi, Michael, there is no need to apologize for any of the post that you write. I for one have enjoyed many of your post over the course of time and hope to see many more. Thank you for your post and the professional manner in which you write them. until next time keep posting and train hard always. Your friend on the list Kwan Jang Dan Rogers 8th Dan Chun Ki Hapkido ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: no longer Normal Back from Normal. Hello sunny California. 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