From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #235 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 10 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 235 In this issue: the_dojang: Weapon sparring Re: the_dojang: Weapon sparring the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #234 Re: the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #234 the_dojang: Re: Hapkido Forms the_dojang: Looking for a good school in the Terre Haute, IN. area.... [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:29:36 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Weapon sparring >So how is weapons sparring usually done? Are weapons padded, are the >participants padded, or both? Are there special light-weight >sparring >staffs, or is it a normal jun bong? A long time ago, I had >a (somewhat >shady) instructor that talked about staff sparring in >tournaments, and >broken knuckles and noses, and special sparring >staffs with metal rods >inside to make yours heavier so you could >snap other peoples' staffs. I'm >wondering how much of that was >reality and how much of it he had made up >to impress little kids >like me. Weapon sparring DOES exist, and I am talking about free-sparring with a weapon. This is becoming more common in Chinese style tournaments. The opponents will have chest protectors, gloves, helmets, etc. and hit each other with padded staves. They are usually bendable, NOT with a meatl pole inside. The sparring can be quite fast and cool to watch. Apparently there are also sword divisions. This would be very unlike a kendo or kumdo match as Chinese sword techniques are (generally) one handed. I have not seen this type of sparring but might this Spring if I go to the tournament hed by me old Kung Fu instructor (If anyone's going to be in Michigan in mid-May and would like to see a variety of Chinese styles let me know. I'll give you the tournament info. They will also be having seminars the next day. This year with the current head of Eagle Claw, Lily Lau). I believe that Kuk Sool Won also has staff sparring, don't they? From what I have seen this is done with regular, non-padded staves but is more like the ITF's semi-free sparring. >Is there a staff vs. sword division, or are both people usually armed >with the same weapons? From what I have seen it is either both armed with staves or both with swords. Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:02:29 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Weapon sparring >So how is weapons sparring usually done? Are weapons padded, are the >participants padded, or both? Are there special light-weight sparring >staffs, or is it a normal jun bong? A long time ago, I had a (somewhat >shady) instructor that talked about staff sparring in tournaments, and >broken knuckles and noses, and special sparring staffs with metal rods >inside to make yours heavier so you could snap other peoples' staffs. I'm >wondering how much of that was reality and how much of it he had made up >to impress little kids like me. For this particular tourny you'd have to check the 'For more info' number given in the post. But weapons sparring is very common in weapons arts like Eskrima, Arnis, and Kali. There is even a movement in the Phillipines to get Eskrima included in the Olympics. In this sport type of sparring they are very heavily padded and usually end up just beating each other in the helmet with their stick (frequently just using flip-hits). I'm not too fond of this style of sparring. But in the non-sport style of sparring people wear a very light fencing mask and a cup and they use heavy rattan unpadded sticks about 31" long. Full power stick strikes along with full power punches, kicks, takedowns and submissions are allowed. The fights usually last about 90 secs. Yes, people get hurt, but not as often as you might think. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: HwarangTSD@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:09:57 EDT Subject: the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #234 Thank you Ray for your prompt answer. I knew that Myung's World Hapkido Federation had forms, but was not aware that any KHF school had them. I did just talk to one of my Hapkido Instructors and he indicated there ae a few KHF schools that do include forms training, but these forms are not required by the KHF and are considered to be part of an individual Kwan's training. Thanks again fro the information Ray. BTW, I am trying to obtain infor on pre-WWII korean martial arts. Anyone have any inofrmation and/or sources? Thanks, Frank Clay KTMS US Representative ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:30:53 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #234 > BTW, I am trying to obtain infor on pre-WWII korean martial arts. Anyone have > any inofrmation and/or sources? For one source, check Robert W. Young's article in the Journal of Asian Martial Arts, (JAMA), Vol. 2, Num. 2, 1993, 'The History and Development of Tae Kyon'. Young also has two videotapes on Taekyon (taped in Korea) a few years ago. It is also online at http://www.amkorkarate.com/ryoung.htm. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:59:37 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hapkido Forms >>We practice Jin Jun Kwan, and when I last spoke to KJN Yoon, last year about >>forms he indicated that there was no, at any point in time, forms in Korean >>Hapkido. Frank, I understand you are not being snippy, and neither am I. But as I have said before, it depends on where you are learning HKD. I guess what sometimes bothers me is when people insist that "Korean Hapkido" has no forms, etc. Again, it depends on where you are learning. I am far from knowing everything about Hapkido, compared to some I don't know anything, and I am still trying to study and learn as much as I can about the art. What I do know is this: In Kangnung, South Korea at Hapkido Choiyukwan you had to learn forms, and you were tested on them for promotions. Kwanjangnim Kim Young-jong holds a 7th dan from the Korea Hapkido Federation and speaks no English. There is a picture of GM Choi Young-sool on the wall of the dojang and Kwanjangnim had met him when younger, but I do not know just what the extent of their meeting was. This does not mean all the KHF schools taught forms. I do not know this, since I only trained at the one. However, I do know of a couple others that do teach forms. Next time I am back in Korea (should be next January if all works well) I may try and find out more about these things. But to tell you the truth, I never really cared, I just enjoyed learning as much as I could and training hard. I don't think anyone can say I was not learning "Korean Hapkido." And I learned and was tested on forms. So again, it depends on where you learn Hapkido. But I don't think you can really say that either is wrong. Hapkido has grown with the great people who have influenced it, and whether you practice and learn forms or not is not the important thing. What's important is that you train hard, learn all you can, and foster a fellowship among fellow Hapkidoin and all other martial artists. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese http://members.aol.com/aburrese/ ------------------------------ From: Stickfighter27@cs.com Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:02:23 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Looking for a good school in the Terre Haute, IN. area.... Hi, I'm looking for a good Taekwondo or Karate Dojang/Dojo in the Clay County, Indiana area. Prefferably around Brazil Ind. or TerreHaute. One of these area's. Looking for good instruction with reasonable fee's. If you have any recomindations feel free to send them to me at (stickfighter27@cs.com) Thanks.. your friend in the Arts C.B. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #235 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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