From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #236 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 11 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 236 In this issue: the_dojang: Dang it Ray :-) the_dojang: Re: Pre WWII Korean martial arts the_dojang: Re: The_DD,V7 #235 the_dojang: Re: Korean Hapkido the_dojang: Re:sparring metrics, personal space the_dojang: I train because I enjoy it. the_dojang: weapons sparring the_dojang: Hapkido Books Re: the_dojang: weapons sparring [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:38:45 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Dang it Ray :-) Guess I should read the entire digest before responding. I was just going through real quick and responding as I could. Just after writing about Robert Young's article, I read that Ray beat me to it. (Advantage of being the moderator) Alain ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:36:55 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Pre WWII Korean martial arts << BTW, I am trying to obtain infor on pre-WWII korean martial arts. Anyone have any inofrmation and/or sources? Thanks, >> Frank, Robert Young had an article that seemed to have quite a bit of history on the Korean martial arts. I'm not sure if and where it might be on the web, but you might want to try a search for it. I'm on my way out the door in a few minutes to go teach, but if I find it later I will let you know where. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese http://members.aol.com/aburrese/ ------------------------------ From: Oregfightingarts@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:30:26 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_DD,V7 #235 Greetings All, Something that Mr.Burresse wrote in his last response has caused me to think, (isnt it funny how he can do that) and to write. Why are so many martial artists concerned with keeping their martial art 'pure' and free from any type of additions? I think the point here (on forms) is that some instructors choose to add forms and some dont. Those that do, probably feel that the forms somehow increase the effectiveness/retention/balance/power/etc. of their art. Good for them. Many feel that forms practice is bad....but thats another issue. Think of all of the 'creators' of the various martial ways. Think of all the training they did before they created or named their style. Many had high ranks in several different arts and combined them. If you take a look at prominent historical founders like Jigoro Kano, Morihei Ueshiba, Gen.Hong Hi Choi, Yong-Sul Choi, you find a common thread....for years and years they studied SOMEONE ELSES martial art, then after much sweat and hard training, began teaching THEIR martial art, usually a conglomeration of several martial styles and concepts. Many founding masters discovered that to make something better it must evolve. That is nature. Things that dont evolve die. Everyone has different views on what makes an art better, or what can be done different to improve the current curriculum. Who is to say change is bad. I'm sure that the founders would find it interesting to see how their improvements and developments have been improved upon by others that have reached a certain level of understanding. Many years ago, I discovered that trying to keep the TKD I taught pure was limiting, and then started training in a different style of TKD to augment it. The knowledge that I have received from both TKD's, Karate, Aikido, JuJutsu, and a smattering of other arts has lead me to the combination I teach now. I teach using the 1st TKD as a base art, and introduce other concepts to it. I have not created a new martial art, all of the techniques existed before I came along, I have just found a better way (for me) to do them. Lets face it, there are only so many ways to bend, twist and strike a human body. The 'open' mind thinking of the founders led them to create their new systems, and make their arts evolve. It still amazes me to find the 'my art is better than your art' mindset in todays martial world. It also amazes me to find MA'ists who refuse to do anything different than what their instructor did, or their instructors instructor did and so on. Purity to me is making that inverted-arm hip throw work after bridging the gap with a beautiful yup chagi. Nobody taught me to do that. I had to be creative. My instructors wanted me to be creative, and I want my students to also be creative. I look forward to seeing what my creativity has lead others to find and adapt...it will take a while, but it will be worth it... Sorry Ray for the length, Train hard, Train right, Mark C. Gajdostik ------------------------------ From: HwarangTSD@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:56:46 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Korean Hapkido Alain, when you find out, could you forward me some information? I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Frank ------------------------------ From: "J. Dudley" Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:33:23 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re:sparring metrics, personal space Ann-Marie, I do and I don't agree with your instructor. In my case there came a time when I could tell that my punch was pretty powerful. The body all works together, no motion is wasted, the angular momentum generated by twisting foot, knee, waist, hip, and shoulder all goes linear into your arm and you just know it. Then again, my best punch is, I suspect, equivalent to the average male MA's number-two-on-a-scale-of-five punch. This is pretty depressing, but I counter it by working on speed, and on techniques besides punches. You can always practice on inanimate objects like a heavy bag, or you can break boards. Careful in both cases - you could hurt your hand and/or the heavy bag, depending on how well it's made. Really! As for feeling odd about getting "inside" when sparring, I guess just remember that you're there because that's your strategy. Be in close when you can take advantage of being there, and get out of range when that's more appropriate. Absolute beginners just try not to get hit. As you come along in your training, you start to see where your opponent might have an open spot from time to time. Later you begin to analyze his style and begin to predict his open spots before he opens them, and all the while you are thinking how you can move in and take advantage. You can't force this development. It takes time for your eye to just begin to see the open spots, and many times even after you see them you may find yourself in the worst possible position to think about taking advantage of them. Sounds like you're in the middle there, beginning to see what's possible but not able to do much yet. So in one way you're in their space, or you could say they're in your space, but really you're there by choice, for a specific purpose, and when you have achieved your purpose you will jump back out again. You're controlling it (ideally). HTH, Jane jdudley@inna.net > >From: Ann-Marie White >Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:19:28 -0400 >Subject: the_dojang: Sparring Metrics and the inside track > >Howdy all: > >I've had two things on my mind recently and I'd like your thoughts on these >topics. Tho' I've had years of SD training and now I'm doing TKD, I've >never actually been in a fight in my life. I've never had to throw a punch >in anger and I've never been hit (never even spanked by the folks). While >I'm actually quite happy about these facts the interesting result is that I >don't really know how hard I can hit. While I know that I am strong, I >don't know my own strength. > Does anyone have any tips as to how to get over the >uneasy feeling that I get when I "take the inside track" and get "up close >and personal" with my sparring partners. It's not that I don't like the >people at my school, I just prefer to have feet between myself and others >rather than inches. > >Ann-Marie ------------------------------ From: "John Bennett" Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:48:07 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: I train because I enjoy it. > From: "Neal Konecky" > Why do you train (e.g. fitness, hobby, self defense, other, especially other). I train mainly because it's a fun way to stay in shape. It keeps me off the streets. And, it gives me a reason to eat right, stay hydrated, and sleep enough. Ever talk to those people who say "I only train street-lethal techniques because I go to a 100% self-defense no BS school." Yuck! How depressing! Just for self-defense?!?! What a miserable reason to train! I couldn't drag myself to class for that. ------------------------------ From: "John Bennett" Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:02:42 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: weapons sparring I have a friend who is a Dog Brother. I've seen tapes of their annual "gathering" wherein the do full-contact stick fighting with only hockey gloves and fencing masks. It's brutal, sick stuff. Makes your stomach knot up just watching it. If this tournament is real weapons sparring, I'd say, don't miss it, but certainly don't enter it. For a good introduction to full-on weapons sparring, see the Dog Brothers at... http://www.dogbrothers.com/ Incidently, the Dog Brothers found that, just like standing wristlocks in empty hand fighting, when doing full-contact all the intricate / complicated BS goes straight out the window. Very interesting Stuff! ------------------------------ From: "Tomlinson, Michael E." Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:47:37 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Books The best Hapkido books by far,,, and second isn't even close,, is Dr. He Young Kimm's two Hapkido Bibles, and Kwang Sik Myung's Hapkido book,, in my opinion, if you have these books then don't even waste your time with any others... Michael Tomlinson ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 6:40:32 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: weapons sparring > Incidently, the Dog Brothers found that, just like standing wristlocks > in empty hand fighting, when doing full-contact all the intricate / > complicated BS goes straight out the window. I'm not sure that is completely accurate. Crafty, Salty, and Top Dog are members of our 'other list', the eskrima-digest, and I have attended several of the Gatherings (the next being in less than a month). Some things do not work because of the equipment some of the players wear, e.g. doing a wrist lock on someone wearing a heavy padded glove doesn't work too well. I can agree with your last phrase, but I'm not sure basic wristlocks are intricate and/or complicated. ??? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #236 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.