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The_Dojang-Digest           Thur, 13 April 2000        Vol 07 : Num 240

In this issue:

       the_dojang: GM Hwang Kee & GM Yong Sool Choi
       Re: the_dojang: GM Hwang Kee & GM Yong Sool Choi
       the_dojang: Ho Shin Sul
       the_dojang: DoJu JI seminar?
       the_dojang: Re: leikers tourney
       [none]
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From: "Mac" <Master.McHenry@USA.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:34:26 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: GM Hwang Kee & GM Yong Sool Choi

From: MichaelChoi@aol.com
<<I have read in various places that GM Hwang Kee trained with the late
founder
Hapkido, Doju-nim Yong Sool Choi. Can anyone verify that?>>

I have never heard that, and I doubt that they trained together, but I
could be wrong.

Kim, Jae-joon is one of Hwang Kee's highest ranking students, Dan #38.  He
calls his school "Kim's Karate & Hapkido Academy".  I asked about that one
time, and an old member of his original school way back in Michigan said he
eventually brought in a Hapkido instructor who was also teaching at his
dojang, so the name reflected that.  Later, when the Hapkido instructor had
moved on, the name was never changed.  I don't believe he teaches any
Hapkido now, and he doesn't teach any self defense that incorporates HKD in
them that I know of.  It is left more up to each instructor.

His Dan tests only have TSD techniques, forms, one-steps, sparring and
breaking - no Hoshinsul and no HKD techniques.  He has also never mentioned
anything about Hwang Kee training with Choi and Hwang Kee never mentioned
it in his "The History of Moo Duk Kwan".

Mac

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From: Ray Terry <raymail>
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:31:24 PDT
Subject: Re: the_dojang: GM Hwang Kee & GM Yong Sool Choi

> I have read in various places that GM Hwang Kee trained with the late founder 
> Hapkido, Doju-nim Yong Sool Choi. Can anyone verify that?
 
Master HC Hwang mentioned once that this was not the case.

Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com

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From: "Moja Kwan - C. Richards" <mojakwan@email.msn.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:52:25 -0400
Subject: the_dojang: Ho Shin Sul

<<From what I heard of pre-Korea Taekwondo Association Korean Karate, the Moo
Duk Kwan practised more Ho Shin Sool (Self-Defense) than Chung Do Kwan.  Chung
Do Kwan supposively spent more time on Dae-ryun (sparring). From the self
defense techniques that I've seen Moo Duk Kwan and modern WTF Taekwondo, it
is similar to Hapkido. I chose to study Hapkido because their self defense
techniques are more precise with more depth than the self defense taught in
the WTF/Kukkiwon curriculum, in my opinion. I'm just starting to learn
Hapkido black belt techniques; the advanced black belt techniques of hapkido
require a "fluent, working knowledge" of basic color belt hapkido techniques
in order to execute the complex but awesome techniques. Believe me, it's not
easy, but it works.>>

Hello Michael,
Good to see you posting again.  I've been training in Korean TKD/TSD since
1985 and hold a 3rd Dan in TSD.  Around 1994 I started training in HKD Sun
Moo Kwan under Master James Allison.  I must have had every Yellow Belt and
higher tell me to relax, and stop trying to use strength to get through a
technique.  I am now 5th Gup (Blue) .  Sometimes, the only way I can get
circular motion co-ordinated in my hands and feet is to not breath at all
(at least with a new HKD technique).  Very humbling experience, kinda like
having Neal Pert hand you a set of drum sticks.

From my college days of Jhoon Rhee TKD, I can't say that I remeber any
formal class time on Hoshinsul.  One of my previous TSD master instructors
said in *the old days* they (masters) just said OK now we're doing Hapkido
techniques, or might have called it Kwan Je Sul (sp?).  Unfortunately, I was
not even a thought in the pre 1961 days, so I can't speak to that.   Master
MacHenry and I had a thread going on TSD and as far as I know TSD always had
Hoshinsul/Kwan Je Sul, but not any of the"Royal Palace Martial Arts" like
rope techniques, double daggers and/or arresting/come-along techniques (jump
in here Mac).

I have had the pleasure of seeing Master Allison string several, supposedly
basic Gup level techniques/concepts into an advanced sequence, and
experienced the effectiveness first hand.  At his level, there is NO
question in the students mind as to the effectiveness of the technique.
IMHO some of the advanced techniques are FAR from easy (including the
falls), but when applied by someone with a *fluent working knowledge* it is
very effective.

Enjoying the path,

Charles Richards
Moja Kwan TSD
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/YosemiteDr/mojakwan/

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From: Ray Terry <rterry@idiom.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:06:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: the_dojang: DoJu JI seminar?

Do any of you have plans to attend DoJu JI's HKD seminar starting on 
June 25?

Ray

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From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:05:13 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: leikers tourney

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From: Ray Terry <rterry@idiom.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 06:35:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [none]


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