From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #243 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 13 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 243 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: mitar's request the_dojang: Korean language the_dojang: Differences in Romanization the_dojang: Ideas the_dojang: Weapons Sparring the_dojang: Doju Ji Seminar [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:56:43 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: mitar's request In a message dated 4/13/00 5:51:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I have a request for Melinda - . Can you send me a cataloque (if you have one) of Adidas equipment you're selling, and tell me if you are able to ship stuff over the ocean. Sorry for bothering; I would visit your web page about this, but I'm not able to do that for now on. I'm also interested if you know what would transport costs like those (U.S.A - Europe) be? >> yes, mitar. gladly. i'll mail you more about it in private :). thanks. melinda ChunjiDo -pe rsonal homepage http://hometown.aol.com/chunjido/homehtmlindex.html www.Chajonshim.com Martial Arts Supply check out our adidas auctions on ebay! up to half the price of the other guys! Paidforsurf.com - - Main - get paid 75cents/hr to surf the net...i do! Looking for enlightenment is like looking for a flashlight, when all you need the flashlight for is to find the flashlight. ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:22:19 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Korean language >>Perhaps, there are many different dialects >>in Korea, so there are many ways for pronouncing the same word?! I have >>a few more ideas about this, but I would like to hear from someone who >>understands this. Sorry for the leeennngggtttthhhh of this message! Mitar, The problem you are having is not so much one of pronunciation, but one of romanization. If you were writing these words (Hana, dul, set....) in Hangul, the Korean native alphabet, they would all be the same. It is when the Korean words are romanized into the English alphabet that the confusion comes in. The sounds in the Korean language are not identical to the sounds in English, nor are the symbols that represent these sounds in each language the same. So, you have several ways to put the Korean sounds into English spelling. Here is one quick example. In Hangul you would spell it with a circle and then a line. It is pronounced as a long "e" sound. However, when we write it in English, it can be written Yi as in my fiance's name, Yi Saeng, or it can be written Lee as in my HKD instructor's family name. There are so many more examples, but it is not so much as to a difference in pronunciation as it is with the romanization. Note, there are differences in pronunciation and "accents" if you will in different areas of Korea, but I do not think that changes the spelling. Best advice would be to learn the Hangul and then you can have consistency. If you stick to reading Korean in English, you will find the differences. The Korean government has actually used different ways to romanize things, and that's why you will see signs in Korea for the same place, but spelled differently. It seems that just recently they were working again at some attempt to standardize the romanization, but I am uncertain to the final conclusion. Maybe someone else on the list will know. But I hope this clears up some of your confusion. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese who in 14 days will have his Korean instructor and translator here to help him with questions concerning Korean, and hopefully help my language skills improve dramatically! http://members.aol.com/aburrese/ ------------------------------ From: Kim Jones Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Differences in Romanization Okay, okay, the quasi-Korean speaks. *a-hem* ^_^ The differences that do arise in how Korean pronounciations are rendered in English (for lack of a Hangul font on the comp) come from experience and how the person can imagine the individual characters in a letter and the sound the character makes. having spent about 8 years on and off here in Korea, reading Hangul is a part of everyday life. I'm trying my best to describe something that comes almost second nature to me, so please bear with me. Mitar mentioned a common rule that hangs people up, and you notice it with the English word "bow." As far as I know, the pronounciation I have heard from two Korean instructors (one Hapkido, the other Taekwondo) is the one that is "correct" to me. I do not know, and I have heard, many non-Korean instructors use "kyongrye" and wonder where they get off saying so. "Kyong-nye" is two syllables to the foreign tongue, and at the end of the first syllable is the -ng consonant. At the start of the second syllable, there is the "n" consonant. No rules that I actively know of pop up to call an "r" sound in that word. (But then again, having the accent and knowing how to read Hangul is only about a 1/3 of the battle. Verb conjugation, sentence structuring, and vocabulary take up the other 2/3.) Those of you that live in Korea might have at first been confused at the sound of Wangshimni, a place in Seoul. The Hangul rendering is quite different on the end of the second syllable and the start of the third. When I get my hands on a subway map of Seoul with all the stops on it, I can try and "paint" the rendering. *pants* That's an uphill battle that someone more fluent can take. The buck does stop here for me, unfortunately. P.S. - Feel free to browse the page and look at the vocabulary complete with .wav files. Can't eat rice and kimchi without a pair of chopsticks at the minimum. =^_^= ===== ~~Kim Jones *ladytimberland@yahoo.com* ICQ: 52828008 AOL: Lady Timberland "The path of excess leads to the tower of wisdom." Enigma, "Gravity of Love" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Moja Kwan - C. Richards" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:17:42 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Ideas Dear Silke, <> If they are kicking properly, and doing say 20-30 minutes of kicks and leg exercises in an hour class it should be more than aerobic. Pumping the leg muscles around forces the heart and lungs to work overtime. That's why non-steroid body builders do squats in addition to bench to expand the rib cage. Most Korean kicking envolves some aggressive hip/waist rotation, again some of the larger muscle groups in the body. Focus mits, would add the interaction missed from sparring, and alow the training to be interval training. Beside it feels good to smack a target instead of the air. <> Check out the book web-sites and look for a Yoga for elderly and executives. It will have the most watered down variations of the various cycles. My boss is 51 and loves his Yoga class. Assuming you have a Black Belt in TKD, you should be able to demonstrate/lead the poses shown in such a book with ease, and have done many of them already as warm ups. Use another 15 to 20 minutes of slow and gentle warm up for the over 40 crowd, and build up to the desired class pace by the time your into kicking. IMHO I'm not sure you can really replace dae ryun for distance - timing - control - emotional training in a martial arts program, but think you just might have a successful executive fitness program. P.S. remeber that executives hate to feel awkward so consider the black sweatpants and white t-shirt with studio print (Ecclectic Kung Fu) look. And executive always want to feel like they are in control so throw in some EASY to learn but effective hoshinsul. Best Wishes, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/YosemiteDr/mojakwan/ ------------------------------ From: "Moja Kwan - C. Richards" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:34:56 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Weapons Sparring At one time Master Chuck Blackburn in Asheville, NC taught his TSD students to free spar with the bong (unpadded staff). They used control like the *old days* tournament sparring. I have personally never seen this done but did talk with Master Blackburn about it once. I would be a little concerned about injuries from some of the jabbing techniques (toes, torso, throat, etc..). In another life I was involved with some Markland fighters in Washington, DC. They used padded weapons, with tape to indicate the cutting edge(s). No body armor was worn. The Referee would test your weapon by whacking the daylights out of you across the back, abdomen, etc. If you could take it, you could use the weapon. If you are *cut* you must immobilize the appropriate muscles in the appropriate way, and continue (dynamically) sparring. Fighting continued to a *kill* or a disarmed surrender. Weapons used where Daggers, Short Swords, Long Swords, Bastard Swords (also called a hand and a half sword), Two handed swords, battle axes, and spears. Pretty amazing what a bunch of teenagers can make out of bamboo, PVC pipe, Styrofoam, pipe insulation and duct tape. Most of the injuries where limited to bruises, of the body and the ego. That's all I know about that, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/YosemiteDr/mojakwan/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:42:06 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Doju Ji Seminar I hope Master Nabors doesn't mind that I forward his correction of my recent post to the list. Ken's (Master MacKenzie's) dojang in Voorhees is just down the road from Trenton. See the original announcement for the info on DoJu's seminar. Perhaps Master Nabors can post the info he has from his flyer??? Ray ========================================================================= Forwarded message: From: RDNHJMS@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:55:12 EDT Subject: Doju Ji Seminar Ray, The seminar will be at Master MacKenzie's dojang in Voorhees NJ. Rick Nabors ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #243 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.