From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #244 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 14 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 244 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: DoJu JI seminar? the_dojang: Korean pronunciation, "Kyongne?, Kyeong Rye?, Kyun Ye? the_dojang: SCA weapons sparring the_dojang: Re: Ideas the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #242 [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd and Debi Deininger" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:35:07 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: DoJu JI seminar? Ray wrote: "Do any of you have plans to attend DoJu JI's HKD seminar starting on June 25?" I would like very much to attend, but as of now, I am not sure of what my summer looks like. Todd ------------------------------ From: Arthur Lee <7akl3@qlink.queensu.ca> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:59:46 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Korean pronunciation, "Kyongne?, Kyeong Rye?, Kyun Ye? Hey Mitar.. Here's my take on the subject... a couple of questions for the english language itself... why don't we start with the first sentence i've got... "phonetically" shouldn't the sentence read -> a cup-le ov kwest-chuns for the inglish laan-gwaje it-self... the spellings are much more different than the phonetic sounds!!! now... concerning the numbers example that you give... one can translate the numbers by 1) how they sound ***(differs from person to person, and yes there is, to my knowledge, 2 different dialects in South Korea itself... a "southern" and a "northern" accent) 2) straight conversion of letters between korean and english a simple example of the second one (hopefully the first is explained in of itself), is the MA, Tae Kwon Do. Phonetically, IMO, it's teh kwon do (i'm not an english major so plz bear with me), but i've heard some people call it tai kwon do... mostly people that don't know it, and took it from Mr. Billy Blanks... errr... Now, I believe the "tai" pronunciation arises from the "direct" translation of the korean character, minus the diphthong (ie the "ai" combo that makes the "eh" sound... korean speakers hopefully understand me...). So taking the Korean spelling and directly translating it would be on the lines of "t-a-ee k-oo-uh-n d-o" (hint... each separation is a korean letter 8))... this said quickly, in the way it's spelt... comes out as (surprisingly...) tai kwon do... with the example you gave concerning the bow command in korean to english... phonetically it's "g-yuh-ng r-yuh-ee"... yet again with another diphthong (double vowel sounds... i think this is how to spell diphthong...) "yuh-ee" which sounds like "yeh"... In my experience, the word i said quickly enough that the r-sound is covered by the -ng sound in the previous word as to make the r sound virtually nonexistent... but yet... that's how it's spelt in Korean... a like example in english is... why don't we say "through" like "throw-uugg-huh"... huh??? a silent consonant? oh it's special because it's with an h?... isn't that cute... aarrrgghhh (yes this is phonetic)... languages are like that... *shrug* what can i say... I hope this clarifies some of the mud on this topic, as this is ALL my own opinion on the subject, and there isn't a scrap of statistical proof i can give you (ya.. i'm studying for stat final... go university finals...) sorry for the length folks... Arthur a 2nd gen Korean hopin to learn more... of Korean and Korean MAs... ------------------------------ From: "John Bennett" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:05:21 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: SCA weapons sparring Moja Kwan - C. Richards wrote: > In another life I was involved with some Markland fighters in Washington, > DC. They used padded weapons, with tape to indicate the cutting edge(s). Sounds similar to the Society for Creative Anachronism, a medieval reenactment group. They have a very well developed set of rules for weapons sparring. It's very interesting. Not for the faint of heart though. I literally got knocked out playing with those guys when I was smacked in the head with a "sword", and I was wearing a metal helmet. I had to give it up. I have barely enough brain cell as it is. See: http://www.sca.org/chivarts.html ------------------------------ From: Emactkd@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:15:40 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Ideas Mr. Silke: A possible fitness substitution would be cardio-karate. 20 minutes of such a workout can do a lot to replace the physical aspects of sparring. You can get the basics from NAPMA pretty easily. But it still leaves a hole in your program. Another option is to consider a different type of sparring. If you are primarily WTF style, try another (ITF?) way, where points can be gained without contact. I find it's the contact that makes folks afraid of sparring. They imagine all the bad things, like big purple eyes when they are trying to make a pitch to the board of directors. I can't find a way to get around some type of extemporaneous and potentially dangerous interpersonal activity and complete a real martial arts training plan. A fitness program, sure, but not a martial art. Hey, but what do I know? Rick Foley ------------------------------ From: Clarketkd@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:29:49 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #242 I would like to reply to Silke Schulz's request for ideas....Regarding providing a class for senior or older students who find sparring frightening (never!) or distasteful (why)?. I find it hard to believe that anyone finding sparring scary or distasteful would actively seek out membership to a martial arts dojang HOWEVER , in the event that they DO.....I have found that Billy Blank's TAE-BO program, or something equal (aerobic boxing, etc.), has been extremely well received for those students who do not want contact sparring. It has many aspects of the martial arts (punching, kicking, footwork) without a sparring partner. In fact, the school which I attend is a combination Tae Kwon Do Dojang and Fitness Center and, many of the members who join the fitness center and participate in the aerobic kickboxing class have liked it so much that they have joined the Dojang for more traditional training. But I digress (sorry)...Anyway, this would provide the much needed cardio aspect of training, and allow your older students to practice their technique in a less confrontational setting. Also, have you thought of incorporating a weapons class? This may enhance your program and make it more "well-rounded" and interesting for those students. Good luck in your endeavor(s). Clarke ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #244 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.