From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #246 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 15 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 246 In this issue: the_dojang: re: carrying weapons in car the_dojang: Dealing with burnout and other stressors the_dojang: Carrying Weapons in Cars=Advice the_dojang: weapons laws etc the_dojang: Re: carrying waepons in cars the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #245 [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HwarangTSD@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 21:41:08 EDT Subject: the_dojang: re: carrying weapons in car Firstly, the reason that the oficer let you go is because, he would have been hard pressed to prove that the tire knocker was in the vehicle to be used as a weapon. The reason is this, while almost anything may be used as a weapon, the question is, what is the actual function of the utensil. For exampl, a 6 d-cell maglite is first and foremost an illumination device. This is what it is for, but it has been used as a weapon of opportunity. Personally, I would not recommend carrying any weapon in your vehicle until you check with your local statutes to determine what is considered a weapon in your jurisdiction, and further, to determine what is considered concealed. For example, in PA a firearm carried in a locked glove box is considered concealed, unless the ammunition and the weapon are secured in two different places. In VA a weapon that can be seen from a window, in plain view is not considered a concealed weapon. Then you need to determine what your needs are. For example, i do not carry any weapons in my vehicle per se, but i do carry some construction tools that can be used as such. These would be considered weapons of opportunity. They are tools, but if someone is trying to harm me or my family, I'm not above stabbing them with a screwdriver. Yet, a screwdriver, is for the maintenance of my vehicle and is not a weapon. My best suggestion is not to carry a weapon. This could reflect very badly on you in court (i.e. he was looking for a problem, why else would a weapon have been in the car?). Not to mention, should you get charged, the jury may see you carrying the weapon as you having the intent to harm another. Too bad we actually have to discuss this. I guess society needs to see her doctor again. Sincerely, Frank ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Dealing with burnout and other stressors Thanks to all posters on the issue of carrying weapons in your car. Good responses. You have provided me with good thoughts. Digressing. I would appreciate responses focusing on the issue of motivation, burnout, and training avoidance. I often find that as I get older, and face many various stressors in life (kids, job, travel, bills, lousy boss, house repairs, dog cleanups, house cleanups, eating too much)I rationalize ways of putting off training and focusing my attention properly. When I have trained before my life is usually more balanced and I feel better about myself and loved ones. Then the devil sits on my other shoulder and says "Ken, you can train later or take a break..." So, I get away from the regimen and rationalize that behavior. In sum, what motivational techniques do you employ to get your training in gear, to attend class, to get into shape, and to not fall for that justification trap. Do you ever just say, "I need a break and completely get away from training?" Comments please. Thanks. Ken "gettin' fatter" McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "White Lotus" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:40:12 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Carrying Weapons in Cars=Advice Ken, > From: Ken McDonough > Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:55:25 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: the_dojang: Carrying Weapons in Cars=Advice > > - --- Ken McDonough wrote: > > Several months ago a friend of mine was stopped for speeding. The officer > > told my friend that his "club" aka "Trucker Tire Knocker" was an illegal > > weapon. This club was brought in a Truck Stop and was a piece of wood > > about 12 to 15 inches long. It sold as a Tire Knocker. The officer let the > > guy go but told him to place the tire knocker in the truck. > > > > This leads to a question for you erudite martial artists out there. What > > recommendations for possible self-defense weapons would you carry in your > > car which are not under the ambit of illegal weapons, re: expandable > > batons or clubs may be illegal. How about: > > > > 1. Long heavy duty flashlight. > > 2. Long windshield ice scraper. > > 3. Tire iron. > > 4. No weapon. > > > > Suggestions please ? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ken McD... The BEST self defense weapon that is totally 100% legal is a cane. Check out www.camemasters.com. Master Mark Shuey out of Incline Village in Tahoe has a great selection and training program. You can even carry these things through airport security. Very nice. Mark Herrick ------------------------------ From: Oregfightingarts@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:59:07 EDT Subject: the_dojang: weapons laws etc Ken, First check the laws of whatever state you are in concerning the carry of concealed weapons. The definitions are very important, and you need to know what your law considers 'concealed', and what it classifies as deadly and dangerous weapons. In many states, you can have whatever weapon you want, so long as it is in 'plain view'. Others have very restrictive laws on a variety of common items used as weapons on their carry/display/concealment. Deadly weapons can be those that are designed specifically for deadly use, or readily able to inflict serious physical injury or death upon use.(guns, knives) Dangerous weapons or items are those that by their use are capable of inflicting physical injury or serious physical injury, and are not designed for deadly use. (clubs, tire irons, flashlights) As a police officer, I am able to carry whatever I feel is necessary in the performance of duty...concealed or otherwise (in my state only). I always travel armed (firearm) when in state, but whenever I travel out of state, I always have my expandable baton handy, or my small 8" scorpion flashlight (i carry it on duty too). both are able to be used in their basic form. Those of you on the list who are familiar with Tessen-no-maki, Yawara waza, Kubotan, or some of the Dan-bong techniques will recognize the multi use of these tools. The baton should not be viewed (unless concealed on your person or within reach) as a threat to any officer, but you may break certain laws if it is not visible. The flashlight however, is a flashlight by design, and is small. Big flashlights (maglite) can be viewed as dangerous, but I like and use the smaller, less intimidating kind. Even when on duty, I have successfully applied techniques using the rubber-coated stinger flashlight. The best thing that I carry for possible defense use when travelling out of state is a small, thin, light......fire extinguisher. It has many defensive applications, and can be legally transported over state/country lines. If needed, can be used similar to mace/OC to deter the wingnuts from doing ill deeds to you. Police are (well, some of us are) very safety contious when doing traffic enforcement. Anything that can be used as a weapon is of concern.....but there is a problem when it becomes paranoia. Again, consult written laws in your area, and if need be, contact your local district attorney/county prosecutors office and ask them. Train hard, train right, Officer Mark Gajdostik ------------------------------ From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:50:52 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: carrying waepons in cars I have never felt the need to carry a weapon in my car or on my person. Perhaps I am naive, but I've never needed one either. I suppose if you really feel the need to carry a weapon to feel safe, why not get a permit to carry a handgun for personal protection and become skilled at its use? Why go half measures? I have a martial arts teacher who carries a handgun legally for personal protection. If you don't think your safety is so at risk to warrant a hand gun, then why carry any weapon at all in your car? You either need a weapon or you don't, and if you need one then why not go all the way? If you dont need one why bother with flashlights and sticks, etc. I am being somewhat provocative but I think might have a point. Just not sure what it is. Jose' ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 08:16:27 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #245 In a message dated 4/14/00 8:15:02 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << > > This leads to a question for you erudite martial artists out there. What > recommendations for possible self-defense weapons would you carry in your > car which are not under the ambit of illegal weapons, re: expandable > batons or clubs may be illegal. How about: > > 1. Long heavy duty flashlight. > 2. Long windshield ice scraper. > 3. Tire iron. > 4. No weapon. > > Suggestions please ? > > Thanks, > > Ken McD... >> Use the Cane. I bought mine from Mark Shuey Jr, at Canemasters. They are great canes. Go to www.Canemaster.com for more info. Gary Pieratt ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 06:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #246 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.