From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #248 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 15 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 248 In this issue: the_dojang: Re:Weapons the_dojang: Dang it again Ray the_dojang: Shoot to kill the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #247 the_dojang: motivation the_dojang: Re:Weapons the_dojang: Taijiquan Re: the_dojang: Re:Weapons the_dojang: new WTF email addr [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:11:29 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re:Weapons I was being a bit factious in my comment about a gun, perhaps challenging the notion that we need weapons at all in our cars. Not to sound patronizing, but if you carry a weapon in your car you had better be sure you really know how to use it. If not, there is a false sense of security and it may even place you at greater risk than if you have no weapon at all. Weapons can be taken away and used against you. Jack, a police officer said on another list that the best weapon to carry in your car is a Cell Phone. I completely agree. Once I saw two guys beating a guy who had stopped at a red light, they were banging his head into the hood of his car, as a steady stream of cars just drove by them. I was wearing a white coat as I was a medical student at the time. I got out and approached these two biker looking types. I said, "Hey Guys" (turning red as I realize how stupid that must have sounded). I said I was a doctor and why don't they finish up and let me take the guy to the hospital. One of the guys looked at me and said, "my friends nutts doc. You better get outa here or hell go for you." I said, "Awe c'mon guys," where upon his friend reached for a knife on his belt and started toward me. I hightailed it back to my car and drove for the first house with lights on to call the cops. They saw this and took off, and I drove back to help the victim. I was training with a Korean master at the time who had been a Korean national champion two years in a row. I told him about it, feeling ashamed I didn't do more. He said "You got outa the car, you crazy." I said, "What would you have done Master Kim?", he said, "Hmm, maybe hit them with car." Thank God I didn't have a weapon in my car at the time. Id probably be dead now. Jose' ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:51:40 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Dang it again Ray Dang it again Ray, you beat me to the post about shooting a person in the leg. That's what I get for responding before reading the entire digest. Alain ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:49:41 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Shoot to kill << With a gun, you can always just shoot his leg. NO! This thinking is very dangerous. Do not pull a gun on someone unless you are prepared and ready to kill the person. If the situation warrants a gun, shoot center mass to put the person down. If the situation does not warrant killing the person, leave the gun alone. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese http://members.aol.com/aburrese/ ------------------------------ From: Oregfightingarts@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 17:53:26 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #247 Ken asked << -must he first have a warrant, consent, and so forth. >> Some states give just a little more leeway on search and seizure than others, but the bottom line (in the US) is that all s & s laws are governed by the 4th amendment. Basically it goes like this....cop sees car to stop. cop must then find probable cause(a reason) to stop car (speeding/bad equipment/etc). cop then contacts driver & needs to get licence/reg./ins. cop must keep his investigation relevant to the reason you were stopped. If he sees something unlawful from you during the stop (DUII, drugs, partially concealled weapon) he can then expand the scope of the stop and find out about the new stuff. Courts have held that if he sees something, he can go to it. If he cannot see (eg inside trunk/glove box) he needs permission. If he has prob cause to search, based on what he sees & totality of the circumstance, he doesnt need your permission. If he has stopped you for speed, then searching the trunk is not permitted, and you DONT have to give permission. If he orders you out and starts searching, you can tell him to stop, but DO NOT attempt to make him stop. Wait and document well, so you can file suit for violation of 4th amd. rights. I got beefed all the time (when I was younger) from local pd's because of the legal martial art weapons that were always in my car. I soon educated myself on relevant laws, and the searches stopped...I even filed a civil suit against a local cop....I dropped it though when he promised (was ordered) to leave me alone. Again, be sure that possesion of the weapons is legal in your state. Police can ASK anything they want on a person or vehicle stop. You dont need to answer certain questions that are irrelevant (eg.one guy asked how long me and my girlfriend had been dating....none of your business sir, I answered) but do need to provide ID when appropriate. Remember, if an officer identifies you as a martial artist, he is probably very aware that you have more training in your little finger than he does in his entire body. You may be treated as a threat...even without any weapons present. Good to always be polite, and good to know your rights. Mark Gajdostik ------------------------------ From: Oregfightingarts@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:08:49 EDT Subject: the_dojang: motivation Its hard for many instructors to maintain their abilities and drive, while teaching and working and doing so many other things (like motivation students). For me, vacations doing nothing have worked, as have becoming a student (again) of very different arts. Take time to train with others of your ability, with no students around, and no teaching done....just a good workout. We spend time on students like blackbelt clubs, leadership teams, demo groups etc., but little is done for just instructors. I belong to an instructor association, that has several different arts in it (tkd (itf/wtf/other), hkd, jj, karate, kempo, kumdo) with instructors from varied backgrounds. We work out (martial art), eat, network, play paintball, argue :) ,attend sports events, and once a year organize a multi school camp out at the coast, which isnt a martial art event, but a family and friend function... I've also found that research of the mental aspects of the arts, and research on history of other arts helps me appreciate my own, and makes me a better instructor....look at historical warriors....they weren't moronic, neanderthal, dopey humans, they were lerned men (and women) who could do more than just fight. Discover new talents you have, while maintaining your martial abilities. My 2 cents, Mark Gajdostik ------------------------------ From: Knife1@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:10:49 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re:Weapons Hello - Reference the weapons discussion. I feel that a weapon is anything that you can use to cause harm to another's person. Having said that, The folks that posted about using what I call field expedient weapons are on the right track. Carrying a flashlight, umbrella, walking cane, drum stick, hatchet, or other make shift weapon is more acceptable when it comes to explaining it to a police officer. To a Law Enforcement officer, conducting a traffic stop is a pulse pounding, nerve wracking experience. You never know if this one will be the one to blow a hole in your chest or the one to give you a compliment even after you cite them. Finding a weapon in close proximity to the driver is a big alarm to a police officer. Any weapon. You can still get the same comfort feeling carrying a make shift weapon in your car or on your person that you can from a more lethal one. Do not fool your self into thinking that you can just shoot them "a little." Nor can you think that you can "cut them a little," or "just strike them enough to stop them." Any strike or impact that you cause to your would be robber/attacker/assailent could land you in the pokey right next to them. In some instances the law is more on their side than yours. If you must carry any weapon, consider these factors: 1) What is the law of the state or jurisdiction governing the carry or use of my particular weapon of choice. { that goes for today's combat folders, too} 2) The environment that you are going into - a bar a restaurant a school a religious facility a state or federal building or office a convenience store 3) The intent that you have for using it in self defense. Think about the possible legal ramifications of using it and the situation going the wrong way. Mahan ------------------------------ From: "kadin goldberg" Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:47:19 MDT Subject: the_dojang: Taijiquan Hi, I was just wondering about Taijiquan, could anyone tell me about it and also... has anyone ever heard of Chen Qingzhou . thanks, Kadin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:21:10 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re:Weapons > notion that we need weapons at all in our cars. Not to sound patronizing, > but if you carry a weapon in your car you had better be sure you really know > how to use it. If not, there is a false sense of security and it may even > place you at greater risk than if you have no weapon at all. Weapons can be > taken away and used against you. Possible, but actually this rarely occurs. Especially with firearms. Yes, LEOs have problems getting their weapons taken, but that usually occurs when they are holstered. In the case of a private citizen the first time the 'bad guy' sees the weapon is typically when it is in both of your hands. > that the best weapon to carry in your car is a Cell Phone. I completely > agree. Agreed. That and a big dog... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:29:59 PDT Subject: the_dojang: new WTF email addr From the Spring 2000 issue of the WTF Taekwondo magazine (WTF Official Quarterly Magazine). The WTF has a new website and a new email address. The website URL is http://www.taekwondo.worldsport.com and the email address of the WTF Secretariat is now office@wtf.worldsport.org Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #248 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.