From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #249 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 16 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 249 In this issue: Re: the_dojang: Re:Weapons the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #247 the_dojang: Re: weapons of choice the_dojang: Fwd: Do most people judge & compare or weigh & consider? Tony Blauer the_dojang: Re: Tire Thumpers=is/is not a weapon ? Use or Lose ? [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:27:52 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re:Weapons > Reference the weapons discussion. I feel that a weapon is anything that you > can use to cause harm to another's person. Having said that, The folks that > posted about using what I call field expedient weapons are on the right > track. Carrying a flashlight, umbrella, walking cane, drum stick, hatchet, or > other make shift weapon is more acceptable when it comes to explaining it to > a police officer. Excellent point. When I can't carry my clip-on 'pocket' knife (e.g. traveling overseas with carry-on luggage only), I carry a very nicely made Cross pen. That Cross pen makes an excellent weapon in the right hands. wrt pocket knives, I have gotten away from the Spyderco knives given their lock-back models can unlock when you least want it to. I currently carry a liner-lock (Kershaw Whirlwind, assisted opening model). But poorly made liner-lock models may also fail when side pressure is applied to the blade. The new locks (rolling lock of REKAT, Axis lock of Benchmade, Body Lock of Chris Reeve's Sebenza) may currently be the best locks on the market today. One way to test your Spyderco Endura or Delica or ... While it is locked in the open position try white-knuckling it, i.e. grip it with all your life, just like you might if you thought your life was about to end. Try that with the knife in different grip positions. You too may have the right hand/palm shape to release the lock on lock-back style model knives. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:12:55 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #247 In a message dated 04/15/2000 2:59:00 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << must he first have a warrant, consent, and so forth. >> he must have consent or reason. reason, for example: you were weaving, he pulls you over, he sees a roach clip and some papers sitting on the passenger seat. he may have reason to search for drugs. if you do not give consent when asked, you will most likely be made to wait until they bring a K-9 unit to sniff your car from the outside. unless youve got something to hide or are being unreasonably harrassed, it would probably be in your best interest to allow a search. in most cases, theyre going to have a reason and youre more than welcome to know it before they search. "may i ask why, officer?" politeness is always your best bet. chances are, theyre not just trying to mess with you. all we hear about are the bad stories. how often does someone come in and say, "i met the nicest cop. granted, he gave me a ticket ....i mean, i was speeding, but he was very polite and kind and didnt even let go the fact that (my tail light was out, i wasnt wearing a seatbelt, fill in the blank)." people tend to have the us vs. them mentality which gets us all in trouble sometimes. too bad they dont publicize the positive police actions as much as they do the negative ones. melinda www.Chajonshim.com - Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply now with a shopping cart for your convenience! ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:16:46 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: weapons of choice In a message dated 04/15/2000 2:59:00 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << www.spyderco.com >> this is what meghan gardner recommended as well. i decided to go to a upside down auction site, post my desire for a particular spyderco knife, and got offers from dealers at better prices than going through spyderco directly. just an ideer :) melinda www.Chajonshim.com - Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply now with a shopping cart for your convenience! :) ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Fwd: Do most people judge & compare or weigh & consider? Tony Blauer The information below was forwarded to me. It is a Tony Blauer (mental edge trainer and psychology applied to street confrontations) response to a reader. Comments ? Ken McD... - --- Tony Blauer wrote: > Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:26:51 -0400 > From: Tony Blauer > Subject: Do most people judge & compare or weigh & consider? > To: Tblauer@Videotron.ca > > > These two questions were asked of Tony on the Mental Edge forum. We > thought the replies had an important enough message to share with you. > Hope you enjoy them. > > Jesse @ Blauer Tactical Systems > > > > From: rpearl > > Date: 14-Apr-00 | 10:55 PM > I posted this in the UG: > ***I play in a band and yesterday we were taking our first set break. I > went to the pool room to shoot a quick game and a guy about 6'3, in his > 40's, very skinny, dirty, old glasses and dirty beard walked in > completely wasted. > So, he's leaning over to shoot and I say quietly to some kid '3 ball in > the second dot,' because the guy was missing the pockets by like a foot. > Not too polite, but I didn't insult the guy's family or anything. > I stepped to the other side of the table, he comes up to me about 1 foot > away, leans down (I'm 5'6)and says something like 'I heard you. You ___ > with me I'll rip your ___ throat out.' I smiled and said 'just a > friendly game of pool' as he walked away. > This is my question. He then started back toward me looking angry at what > I said and I hesitated. Afterwards I thought I should have been safe and > hit him in the throat lightly. He basically said the same thing, that he > was crazy and would 'mail my throat to my mother.' He wasn't totally in > my face, but was leaning in toward me with his hands at his sides. I > smiled, shook my head and my drummer and I walked out. My drummer didn't > see any of this. > What should I have done? I got nervous after not because I was scared but > out of anger for not taking him out when he approached me the second > time. Then I questioned what I should have done. I'll still pissed > thinking about this... > ******* Mr. B- Someone mentioned that my biggest problem was that I > froze, which I didn't even realize until someone posted that response. I > love your astute and analytical insight into people and reactions to > situations. Perhaps you could give me some advice. Thank you in advance. > rpearl > _____ > > Subject: RE: INFO > From: Tony Blauer > > > Date: 14-Apr-00 | 11:29 PM > rp: > There are many things I could ask & share in response to your question, > but because it’s late, let’s cut to the chase. There are the three > arsenals in a warrior’s toolbox. > Physical: body, tactics, natural weapons > Psychological: verbal skills, strategizing, and abstraction > Emotional: self-control, commitment, fear management > The first two arsenals, we all know. We’re always game playing and > winning multiple choice fights [I would do this then that, but if he > tried this, then I’d…and so on] > The real significant arsenal in a real-life incident is the emotional, > because it can impact us in every way possible and it is the moist > misunderstood, undervalued arsenal in the warrior’s toolbox. The > emotional arsenal is hotwired to how you feel and how you feel affects > how you think and how you think impacts your tactical choices and the > timely deployment of those choices. They are all interconnected, but it > is really the emotional arsenal that can influence the body/mind system. > So, here's the thing, how did you feel and what did you feel? > Don’t answer, just reflect back, think/feel. Remember, the description of > the guy, the scenario, the location, the alcohol, the time, the city, and > the crowd and so on, they are all part of the equation. > Real world fights are not sparring matches. They are not like > self-defense classes, either. > There were no rubber knives in that bar or plastic guns and Big John > McCarthy was as far way as your protective 'cup'. The closest thing to a > tatami mat was the felt covering the slate on the pool table.. > The thing I'm getting at is that it only takes a few pounds pressure to > pull a trigger to launch that little projectile, a 6 year old kid can > generate that force [as we all know], the same goes for the knife, pool > ball, pool cue and so on. > SO the guy didn't look like Ken Shamrock. But listen to what he said" > "You ___with me I'll rip your ___ throat out" > Was he serious? Could he do it? Who cares? Actually, who the hell wants > to find out??? > DO you see what I mean? > Now where were you while he was planning your murder? Thinking? > Hesitating? Planning a complex-motor skill counter? > Now I am not criticizing you, but knowing that very often 'will beats > skill' and that this guy was slightly unstable [we can all agree on > that], I like to remind myself that unstable guys on the verge of > snapping are dangerous. Period. > Your late reaction: Did I do this right? Could I have done this? etc, is > normal, we all do that. So don't read my comments as criticism, this was > written to all forum members who WILL meet this guy or his crazy brother > someday and he's best left alone. > Fighting a guy with nothing to lose can be a losing prospect. > Had he pushed it physically, well, that's another story. This is why the > pre-contact phases of confrontation management are so important in the > real world where fights start long before the first blow lands. > Hope this made sense and helps some f you in the detect/defuse phase of > street combat. > Tony Blauer > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Tire Thumpers=is/is not a weapon ? Use or Lose ? Hi: Do not want to prolong this thread. However, you must know that the issue was the person had a tire thumper in the car and was told it was a weapon. He explained to the officer that he purchased it at the local truck stop & uses it for tires and rims. Cop said ok but place it in trunk. So, is it a weapon or is it not. Depends on jurisdiction or cop for the day ? Conclusions: So far I like the cell phone, cane, flashlight, and baseball bat ideas. People have asked why carry these things in a car ? I must have a face that looks like I am a nerd. Having lived in states from California to Maryland I can tell you that most of my confrontations have been with "yo-yo's" in cars who fly into road rage. If they are with one or two buddies then their road range is intensified with false courage. So, my thought was it is ok to remain in your car but if they approach you and your car and you are unable to get away then go for the gusto, or am I off base here ? Thanks, McD... ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 11:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #249 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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