From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #250 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 16 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 250 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #249 the_dojang: re: shoot to kill Re: the_dojang: re: shoot to kill the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #248 the_dojang: Universal Tae Kwon Do Brotherhood [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Silke Schulz" Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 12:32:22 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #249 Ken asked: >So, my thought was it is >ok to remain in your car but if they approach you and your car and you are >unable to get away then go for the gusto, or am I off base here ? My question to you is: if you are in your car and they approach you, how is it that you cannot get away? I would simply turn the car on and drive off. If they pursue, I would simply drive to the nearest police station. Once you get there, they're more than like to end the pursuit. Why would you need to "go for the gusto" at all? Silke ------------------------------ From: "Jere R. Hilland" Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:32:49 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: re: shoot to kill Ok folks, the thread on shooting to kill is starting to scare me. If you are not trained in the weapon you carry. Do not carry it. That includes using a gun and knowing how to use it and how not to use it. But this also goes with any weapon you carry. Anyone trained in the use of handguns is going to perform a double tap at the center of the chest if they point the gun at another person (officers excluded) - so the issue is training here folks. In Texas I took every class offered by the state and county before I took the CHL class to carry a handgun which itself was only 3 days long. The scarry part was that when I moved to Indiana all I had to do was apply for the license, no training. Just a background check. Carrying a gun is like earning your chodan. You do not stop training just because you have the paper.... Besides all of the above, if you have to pull a gun on another person, you have failed.... Just my thoughts. Jere http://homepages.go.com/~jrhilland/HapkiDojang.html http://wwp.mirabilis.com/6423263 ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:51:59 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: re: shoot to kill As private citizens and LEOs, we don't shoot to kill, we shoot to halt/stop the attack. Yes? > any weapon you carry. Anyone trained in the use of handguns is going to > perform a double tap at the center of the chest if they point the gun at > another person (officers excluded) - so the issue is training here folks. We're getting a bit off topic here, and yes I'm to blame too, but not anyone trained in the use of handguns is going to double-tap to center of mass. Many schools of the caliber (pun intended :) of Gunsite, Thunder Ranch, LFI, DTI, Front Sight, Jim Cirillo, etc. will teach a variety of responses to this type of interpersonal encounter. (For a list of shooting schools see http://www.martialartsresource.com/firearms.htm.) I agree that training and practice are musts, I have several hundred hours at the schools mentioned above and I train and certify firearms trainers (for whatever that is worth :). However I also believe that certain things are rights. Privileges can and should be limited and regulated, however rights should not be. IMHO Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:43:21 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #248 In a message dated 4/15/00 4:36:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Nor can you think that you can "cut them a little," or "just strike them enough to stop them." >> I used to carry an exacto knife in my ashtray ... and my car got broken into one day and they took nothing else except that exacto knife ! Illona ------------------------------ From: assyahu@webtv.net (assya humesky) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Universal Tae Kwon Do Brotherhood "Once I had a dream...a vision..." The idea of the Universal Tae Kwon Do Brotherhood within its present scope was conceived by Master E. Humesky as far back as the beginning of the 70's. The growth and pressing need for an organization which would encompass or be a kind of symbiosis of all the Tae Kwon Do styles in the territory of the U.S.A. was apparent. The organization had to be objective, unbiased, and apolitical. Embittered by continuous bickering and political intrigues within the Martial Arts circles, and appalled by frequent lack of adherence to the basic ethical tenets of Tae Kwon Do by the Martial Arts media. master E. Humesky felt compelled to search for a solution. He saw it in the revival of all the common basic tenets of ethics which were practiced throughout the ages among all true martial artists. After long and careful consideration, master E. Humesky presented a proposal for the creation of a new organization before his students. It took several months of thorough research and lengthy discussions, revisions and re-evaluations before the basic tenets of the "Universal Tae Kwon Do Brotherhood" have been formulated and accepted by majority vote. These original rules were summed up in a booklet which was published in 1975. Since then many ideas have been clarified and tested, their formulation has been refined and consolidated. As a result of this combined effort of Master E. Humesky and his students and instructors, the present revised edition of the U.T.B bylaws and regulations came into being. The basic idea behind this organization is the idea of unity within diversity. Just like this great country with its many nationalities, races and creeds unites all by mutual respect and enables them to co-exist and to develop, so should there be one united--UNIVERSAL--Tae Kwon Do uniting all styles and schools. This was the idea which inspired Master E. Humesky when he reflected on the sad state of affairs within this great Martial Art; many Tae kwon Do styles, schools, organizations, private, self-centered, vying with each other. Instead he visualized one united Tae Kwon Do, incorporating and expressing all the best there is in that Martial Art. Just as there is only one American nation, not German-American or Polish-American, Hungarian-American, Irish-American nation, likewise there is only one Tae kwon Do --not Tae Kwon Do Kwan, Association, Federation, School, Institute, etc. One United -- Universal Tae Kwon Do Brotherhood. The word "universal" expresses the idea of a "united area of influence and incorporation including and covering the whole either collectively or distributively." The word "Tae Kwon Do" is known to almost everyone today, and the word "brotherhood" implies a very close, intimate, sincere relationship. This kind of relationship should and does exist among members of the U.T.B. This is the Universal Tae Kwon Do Brotherhood, Inc. UTB/UMAB, INC. PROF. EUGENE A. HUMESKY 2427 BUCKINGHAM ROAD ANN ARBOR, MI 48104 USA ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #250 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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