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The_Dojang-Digest           Thur, 20 April 2000        Vol 07 : Num 264

In this issue:

       the_dojang: Re: "ADHD"
       the_dojang: Martial Spirit vs. Money
       the_dojang: ADHD-Morgan' response
       the_dojang: non profit school V7 #263
       the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #262
       the_dojang: Re: Heavyweight BB
       the_dojang: Re: First Day of Karate School
       the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #263
       the_dojang: Re: Your Move, Act or Watch
       the_dojang: Re: Korean Masters
       the_dojang: Re: Children of the 90's
       [none]
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From: JSaportajr@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:56:09 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: "ADHD"

In a message dated 4/19/00 4:46:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:
Morgan wrote:
<<As an ex-counselor, I've been fairly well trained in the concept of ADHD, 
and my
own opinion is that this is a *mythical* "disorder".>>

I am a psychiatrist on the clinical faculty of Harvard Medical School. Im 
sure that much of what you say about the noise in our culture and how it 
affects kid's ability to concentrate is true, and Im sure that the techniques 
you use with kids are helpful for those with and without ADHD (though they 
cant be 100% effective or you would not have written to the list requesting 
advice on how to handle these kids). But to go from your insightful 
observations to the statement that ADHD is mythical is an extreme conclusion 
that flies in the face of OVERWHELMING scientific evidence. There are a large 
number of scientific studies now using brain MRI that show that certain parts 
of the brain, interesting it is areas of the brain that have to do with the 
control of movement and it appears, the regulation of attention, are 
significantly smaller in kids with ADHD compared to matched controls. 
Functional brain MRI Studies, this is a kind of MRI that can measure the 
amount of activity in certain brain areas, show decreased activity in those 
areas of the brain that regulate attention and impulse control, such as the 
frontal lobes. These clear and concrete differences in the structure and 
function of the brain in persons with ADHD are no myth, they are real. 
Scientific evidence for the genetic transmission of ADHD is also mounting. 
So, Im sure that meditation and help with focusing as you describe can be 
very useful, and I think martial arts training as a whole is useful for ADHD 
kids, and Im sure our culture affects kids' ability to focus. But I would be 
careful about taking extreme positions like ADHD is mythical, which is simply 
not true and is a disservice to children with this disorder and their 
families. For those who want to read more about ADHD, a very good book is, ADH
D and the Nature of Self Control, by Russel Barkely, Ph.D. For those who want 
something less technical than this book, Russell Barkely has written a number 
of books accessible to the lay person.  Jose'

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From: "Moja Kwan - C. Richards" <mojakwan@email.msn.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:16:22 -0400
Subject: the_dojang: Martial Spirit vs. Money

<<The main question is this:  Are these ideals too unreasonable to ever make
a
successful martial arts school in this country?  If the focus was more on
discipline, spirituality, and training rather than exercise and playtime
(let them go to an aerobics class for that), who in this country would be
willing to enroll in a school like this?>>

Dear Morgan,

You and I will be finding out together.  Beginning in mid November
(anniversary of MDK) I will try to operate such a school.  Teaching
semi-private lessons to primarily age 12+, age 8-11 must train with a 16+
adult family member, and someone with a lot of money may convince me to
teach a private lesson to their under 8 year old.  IMHO this is the best way
for me to teach traditional T'ang Soo Do.  I have opened clubs with 4 to 7
members and 1.5 hour classes and taught 45 minute pee-wee classes in a
commercial school of 120+.  After I left that school my former business
partner took that school to 300+ with a second building, cardio-karate,
simultaneous kids classes, pee-wee classes, etc.  I would say we each had a
different focus.  I would like to teach traditional martial arts, and only
to those who are truly interested.  My former partner is probably netting 6
figures and planing a European second honeymoon.  What do you want out of
life, and what are your values?  I'm not saying either approach is right or
wrong, just a different focus.  For details on my format, check out my
web-site (yes a shameless plug) or email me directly.

Yours in training,

Charles Richards
Moja Kwan TSD
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/YosemiteDr/mojakwan/




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From: Oregfightingarts@aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 01:56:50 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: ADHD-Morgan' response

Morgan, 
You hit the nail on the head...I will not teach a child that is on drugs for 
adhd.  All of the 'dont do drugs' stuff out there is contradictory to the 
allowing of the child to take drugs to control this 'phantom' disease.  
When I explain this to parents, I suggest that they let me help...I have good 
video from the past decade of before and after shots of adhd kids, and 
testimony from parents of current and past students. When the child learns to 
discipline themselves, they can control their actions.  I start slow, by 
having short classes, and beginning and ending the session with increasing 
amounts of forced stillness, and calm talk.  I am firm, but will yield when I 
see that they have reached their personal stillness limit.  It takes a while, 
but is worth it.  Mostly, I feel that these kids are just being kids, and 
that somewhere along the line, someone failed to teach them to control.  I 
love to see the look on some parents faces when they show up to collect their 
kid, and must wait for 10 minutes while their 'out of control' kid sits 
quietly and is still.  Time, patience, understanding, and a will stronger 
than the kid, is what is required.
once again morgan,,,great post
mark g

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From: Oregfightingarts@aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:05:13 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: non profit school V7 #263

There is a nonprofit Jujitsu school near here that I train at once a month (I 
trade kicking class for Randori practice)  They have been in continuous 
operation for the last 30 or so years...all from volunteer instructors.  
Wonderful group of open-minded MA'ists.  Non-profit can be a real 
possibility, and some federal grant $ is available for this.  
Mark Gajdostik

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From: MissIllona@aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:32:47 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #262

In a message dated 4/19/00 1:44:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:

<< << My question was originally, "Do I really want to teach martial arts to 
people who are in it only for a hobby, or for 'getting in shape'?"  The more 
I think about it, I'm thinking "no". >> >>

We all join karate for a different reason.  We all fall in love with it for 
pretty much the same reason ... it becomes a part of us.  Give them a chance 
to have it become a part of them.  If it doesn't stick with them ... you 
haven't lost anything ... you have gained something and so have they.  
Everyone comes out a winner, so to speak.

We can all learn something from everyone.  I can't tell you how many people 
have enriched my life since I started on my journey of martial arts ... and 
some were not in it for very long ... but I still remember them and how much 
fun we had when they were here.  I would have missed all that if they hadn't 
decided to stop by and give it a try for awhile.

And I want to keep enjoying the journey on meeting all these people and 
experiencing a part of their life along with mine while we are students in 
the arts.

Illona

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From: MissIllona@aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:37:50 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: Heavyweight BB

In a message dated 4/19/00 1:44:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:

<< Guess who the master picked for part of the demonstration?  I never saw 
her throw a single kick, but she was throwing her partner around like a 
ragdoll, and she was a demon with the short stick.  It was obvious she could 
use this stuff when it counted.
 
 But if her instructor was a stickler for requirements and insisted she do, 
say, jumping kicks and acrobatic moves perfectly, I doubt she would've 
reached black belt, or achieved as highly as she did in self defense 
techniques and weapons. >>

LOL !!  You just described my Black Belt woman here to a T, almost ... LOL!

She may not be the best kicker in the world ... but by golly you better not 
let her get her hands on you or you are dead (so to speak!  LOL).  Her 
attitude, fortitude, dedication to the arts and all the students in it is 
what she gets high marks on, plus the ability to take her 250 lb. son and 
throw him all over the place here on test days!  LOL!

I applaud that master that picked that lady for the demonstration ... he is a 
real master to the truest sense ... he knows a good black belt when he sees 
one.

Illona

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From: MissIllona@aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:43:18 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: First Day of Karate School

In a message dated 4/19/00 5:53:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:

<< you never know when the next future master is going to walk in your door
 and ask you some stupid question about martial arts (when do we learn to
 kill people? etc.).   >>


LOL !!  And boy howdy ... you do get a few of those sometimes ... LOL !!

I remember one poor little boy who was utterly terrified when he walked in 
the door with his parents ... and it took me awhile to figure out why and 
when I did ... I was furious !
Seems his parents had told him that karate was all about fighting and getting 
beat up ... and when he wanted to join the school ... the first day there 
they all line up and a spar you till you drop !  But instead of ripping their 
heads off ... I calmly asked them why they said this to him.  They just 
wanted to make sure that he really wanted to do it.  Simple as that.
Sheesh !!!!  Some people.

Illona

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From: MissIllona@aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:45:54 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #263

In a message dated 4/19/00 5:53:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:

<< but I have seen people that I thought would never make it through the
 first month go on to be some of my best students ( one of my best Blackbelts
 wrote on his initial application that the reason he wanted to train with us
 was because our uniforms were "cool"), and, by the same token, some of the
 students that I thought had the utmost ability and desire, left within the
 first few months or so.  Believe me, ALL YOU CAN DO is teach whoever comes
 to you with any level of desire, and do your best to indoctrinate them to
 beauty that is martial art.   >>

Wow ... printed this whole thing (but not here on DD) out and I think I will 
make up a cool looking plaque to put this one on.  This is a keeper.

Thanks Master West !!

Illona

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From: MissIllona@aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 03:02:06 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: Your Move, Act or Watch

In a message dated 4/18/00 4:50:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:

<< Being the subject and VICTIM of unchecked verbal and mental aggression can 
lead to MORE aggression. As a police officer, I am TIRED of responding to 
neverending 'domestic violence' calls, where I see exactly this type of 
behavior (enabling)and seeing the creation of victims.  Something in you said 
that the behavior was wrong...thats why you asked this list the question in 
the first place..go with your 1st impression of this action being wrong, and 
make the adult choice for your daughter (a child), your responsibility.  I 
dont want to see her as a plaintiff or an ER patient in the future.
 Your move, act or watch. >>

Hear, hear.  Coming from a background like that ... but from my parents and 
then later on from a husband ... it is learned behavior that will kick you in 
the behind if you don't stop it now.  You are teaching her how to be a victim 
of verbal and physical abuse.  And that it is OK.  And it is NOT OK.

I like what he said ... "your move, act or watch".  Same thing as "your 
choice" but . . .

Illona

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From: MissIllona@aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 03:16:22 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: Korean Masters

In a message dated 4/18/00 8:22:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:

<< The were frequently beaten, and one Grand Master told be he would at times 
come home with his underwear bloodied. His parents would never have even 
considered saying anything to the teacher, as it was judged as likely 
appropriate to discipline their child and the teacher was not questioned. >>

Yes, my instructor had many tales that he told of his upbringing in TKD in 
Korea ... and some were not pretty.  And it was the reason why he thought 
nothing of calling us stupid over and over again and hitting us with a 
shinai.  He was doing what he was taught when he came up in the ranks.  But 
that is still not an excuse as I have met many wonderful and trained under 
many different Korean Masters who never saw a need to do that.  We all have 
choices ... and so do they.

Illona

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From: MissIllona@aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 03:21:54 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: Children of the 90's

In a message dated 4/18/00 12:28:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:

<< I guess I'm a bit confused here.  I wish MY parents had let me make all the
 decisions about raising myself!  Hell, I could have skipped school all
 together!  Wow, how neat! >>

Yes, it seems that the kids of the 90's are completely capable of doing this 
whereas us kids of the 60's were completely inept in doing so ... so we had 
to have someone help us all the time ... I think they called them Parents.

My school is filled with such children ... and I find it amazing all the 
things that they are allowed to make decisions in !

Can you name some of them?

Illona

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From: Ray Terry <rterry@idiom.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:48:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [none]


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