From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #267 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 21 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 267 In this issue: the_dojang: Martial Arts Training and 1957 Chevy Belair the_dojang: Re: For Mark (Oregfightingarts)=bad day to stop sniffin glue the_dojang: Re: Repetitious practice=true the_dojang: Welcome Master Cyrus the_dojang: Re: Interview with GM SEO, In Sun=there is no place like home...click your heels the_dojang: Master Hilland=trip to Korea ? the_dojang: Morgan's School the_dojang: Discipline the old days, etc. the_dojang: Re: yellow belt dilemma the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #265 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #265 [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800+ members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken McDonough Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Martial Arts Training and 1957 Chevy Belair Notice: If you see Ken McDonough headed for the nearest martial arts school in a 1957 Chevy Belair, you will know that on April 20, 2000, he consummated a deal and obtained a 1957 Chevy Belair. His martial arts gear will be in the back seat. The rundown: - - 283 engine completely rebuilt with 4 barrel carb - - headers and dual exhaust - - red with white top, "no post" 2 door hardtop coupe. - - My collision and body guy checked it out=good condition and little "mud" (re: bondo). - - Retail value= Good condition is $12,500. Number one condition= $20,000. - - Purrs like a kitten. - - No cat. converter...no pollution control devices...pure engine and horsepower. A classic. - - Several people yelled out "Man, nice car..." - - Local Chevy Classic President sez "Good deal." Additional facts: - - Based on something that the owner wanted from me (96 Harley Sportster 883) and a $2,000 reduction in price, I obtained the 1957 Chevy Belair for $4,500. I was selling the Harley Sportster anyway (since December 99). Thanks for all of the kind souls who provided advice on this non-martial arts topic. I appreciate it. Had to go for it man ! Enough said. Sorry to bother all of you. Back to martial arts. Thanks for the time. Vroooooooom..... Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: For Mark (Oregfightingarts)=bad day to stop sniffin glue Response: Wow man, it is a bad day to stop sniffin' glue...Please don't tell me I have to give up my Crown Royale and 7 Up. Please have mercy on my Irish soul... Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Repetitious practice=true I am writing this while I am in my 1957 Chevy Belair: I recall when I was a basketball player that I would set up a practice regimen that started first with basic layups. Right side, then left side. Then jump shots from in close and increasingly outside following the perimeter of the basket. Then foul shots. Followed by my "shake and bake" moves, re: cross dribble, left to right, right to left, fakes, turnaround jump shots. Slow it down and foul shots. All choreographed...sometimes until 10 or 11 at night. Kept me off the streets...kept me sane...made me whole. Basketball Diaries...late 1960's...New York and New Jersey. Lesson= Yes, repetition makes perfect. Formulate training regimens and follow religiously. Muscle to mind memory. As the Bill Bradley book noted "It gives you a sense of where you are." Ken McD... - --- missillona@aol.com wrote: > << How they do is directly proportional to "how much they did". It is > easy to spot the martial artist that practices at home every day, as > opposed to the one that "shows up for class". No matter how good your > instruction, if they don't go home and do their reps, it'll show. We all > want our students to shine in front of our seniors, they are a reflection > of us, but in the end, they are the fruits of their own labors. >> > > This was so well said that I printed it out and will be reading it to the > > class tonight and we will have a discussion about it. > > Thanks Dave! > > Illona __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 03:01:20 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Welcome Master Cyrus Master Cyrus: I'd just like to welcome you to the list. This is the first posting of yours that I have seen so I am assuming you are a relatively new member. I have read a couple of articles on ChoSonDo in "Taekwon-Do Times" over the years and it seems like a very interesting art. Could you perhaps give us a little bit of background history and other information on it (characteristic techniques, does it include weapons training, how it was developed, etc.)? Again, welcome to the Dojang Digest. Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Interview with GM SEO, In Sun=there is no place like home...click your heels I believe, although I am not certain and I do not want to be admonished, that there is some friction happenin' here between the two bros. Ya know, this is why I like some of the high rankin' American Masters in Hapkido (or other Korean arts). They appear to merely want to impart knowledge and sharing of the art and decrease the political baggage. Am I correct or is it a wrong perception on my part. Like a 1957 Chevy Belair..there is no place like the good ol' USA. American knowledge and ingenuity...man this is a great country... Ken McD... - --- jsegovia@mindspring.com wrote: > Interesting. It appears in Korea, everyone, including GM Seo, says he > practices Hapkido, instead of KukSoolWon. > > But some questions. First of all, this article makes no mention of GM > Seo's older brother GM Suh In Hyuk. Doesn't GM Seo give some claim for > the development of KukSoolWon (or Hapkido) to his brother? > > Also this sentence: "SEO In Sun combined Yoo Kwon Sool with Taekkyon and > named it Hapkido." > > Does GM Seo honestly make this claim? > > Jesse > Once we discover a common ground, the walls of difference begin to fall. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Jere R. Hilland" Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:54:11 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Master Hilland=trip to Korea ? <> Something Jennifer and I are really looking forward to this summer. But it is 10 or so days of hapkido. But let me quote from http://www.hapkido.com/seminars.htm which states: USKMAF Instructors Trip To Korea, July 21st - August 1st, 2000 Master J. R. West and Master Renee' West, accompanied by Dr. He-Young Kimm, President and Founder of the World HanMuDo Association, will conduct an extensive training tour of Korea and mainland China this summer. One of the main attractions will be training at the Korea KiDoHwe in Busan, as well as some serious sightseeing. The trip is limited to USKMAF instructors and their adult blackbelt students. For more information on this trip, contact Master West at hapkido@netdoor.com I am taking two of my students, the Mrs. and one of my yudanja who runs my dojang in Houston. This is also why I wont be in MD this time, but I hope to make it down to Houston for the workshop October 21st. Jere http://homepages.go.com/~jrhilland/HapkiDojang.html http://wwp.mirabilis.com/6423263 ------------------------------ From: "Moja Kwan - C. Richards" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:23:26 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Morgan's School Dear Morgan and GM West, <> This past Saturday I watched my three instructors (in Hapkido) test to 3rd Dan, effectively doubling the number of Sam Dans training with Master Allison. I am pleased to see someone like Master Allison earning a living full time in the martial arts, and to see students really will hang around quality for 15 years.... Here's my point. People like Master James Allison and Grandmaster J.R. West have figured out how to open their doors to the many, spreading the art, and preserving a few jewels to 3rd Dan and above, without sacrificing quality for profits. If you can do that I believe (IMHO) it's better than almost loosing the Korean arts. 1900-1945 was not that long ago. It'd be a real shame to get that close to loosing an art form by only teaching a select few. Of course I'm playing devil's advocate here as my plan will be to teach 12+ and a select few 8-11 year olds, but my wife and I are surviving in a bedroom community suburb on my Engineering salary. We're OK with never being rich. If I were to ever leave engineering, I would have to be as financially responsible to my family as I am now and so my attempts at a commercial studio might look quite different. I believe GM West is also referring to the 3 phase training regime. Year 1 goal = get them to come to class twice a week as a habit. You'll be lucky to get that far with a beginner. Also 70% mental and only about 30% physical. Year 2 goal = refinement of basic motion about 50% mental and 50% physical, year 3 goal = preparation for adept grade (blackbelt) should be the most grueling training your art can dish out, and by this point if you did phase one and two correctly, they'll love it! About 10% mental and 90% physical....Of course John Graden (NAPMA) explained it a lot better. I would also suggest you look up Sensei Buzz Durkin in the mid-west. I understand he has a 300+ traditional, commercial dojang(oops dojo - he teaches Kenpo I believe), with NO CARDIO and NO PEE-WEES, and students that have been training with him for decades... Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/YosemiteDr/mojakwan/ ------------------------------ From: "Moja Kwan - C. Richards" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:51:55 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Discipline the old days, etc. Dear List, Been a little busy with my 4 month old son's teething process and missed posting, but I have been in lurk mode :-). Here's my $0.02 on discipline and youth. I have asked All American College football players to get off my feild when I was coaching teen football (for using inappropriate motivational techniques). If you sign up for the Citadel, West Point, or Navy Seal trainig you should expect a DI yelling at the top of their lungs in your face. Otherwise it is inappropriate to use yelling, or severe physical punishment (IMHO). Here's what I used to do with *excited* youth that began to detract from the class. First offense, stop class direct them to bow out and go sit near the wall and watch.....after a few drills, ask them if they would like to return to class, bow them back in and that usually made my point. Second offense (rarely happened) front leaning rest during this time-out period. On one occassion when things had gotten a little light a few weeks after a belt testing, I brought my seven year olds to attention, and removed the three most senior students belts and put them on my desk. Deathly silent after that, I said nothing. At the end of that class I reawarded their belts for their excellent attitude during the rest of class and reminded them that was my expectation from this point forward.....wait for Yes Sir, and send them on their merry way. As the mothers approached me I waited for the worst....one hugged me and the other two thanked me at length.. I would issue say 10 to 25 pushups (based on age and rank) for a SNAFU like forgetting to salute the flags, walking over to the water cooler with your shoes on, or wearing you top and belt outside the dojang for something other than a demonstration. Hope everyone has found what works for them. Yours in trainig, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/YosemiteDr/mojakwan/ ------------------------------ From: Dave Weller Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:28:00 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: yellow belt dilemma CA&B Skjold Posted the following: >I am a Yellow Belt (7th Gup) WTF TKD. >At our dojang we train two times a week and while there I try my >best and hardest while trying to be accurate, controlled and forceful. >The problem I have is that we train a lot 'face/face' with other persons >of our same rank and the person I am paired with stands WAY to far away, >produces no targets and seems to be afraid of getting hit by me. I feel >I have very good control. I have come in actual contact only twice, and >not with her, in the eight months I have been a student. >How do I help this person over come their fear and such so my >training doesn't suffer. We have a very small class so pairing up with >someone else is not an option. An elderly "executive" martial artist responds: I take it from your post that you are doing one step sparring, self defense practice, or some iteration thereof, and thus your inability to move closer to your opponent. In free sparring you could close the gap with a number of different techniques, but obviously you are practicing in some manner that does not allow it. I do know from experience, and watching other folks at your level (we were all there once !), that fear of getting hit/kicked is certainly a factor. Most (but certainly not all), beginners have a reasonable fear of getting hurt. This is natural and good at this level because the control needed for up close techniques may very well not be there. Not doubting a bit your ability to control your strikes, but you would be the exception rather that the rule. At higher belt levels (usually 3rd gup and up) our instructors will have us do kicking practice at close range making contact with the Dobak ONLY (not the person underneath it) but with full speed and power. You must have excellent control to do this, something most lower belts do not possess (I sure didn't).. My advice would be to practice the techniques as best you can, even though your partner is too far away to make it seem real. At some point your instructor (especially in a small class) will see what you are doing and make a correction to your partner and move them in and have them stay in close. Trust your instructor to do what is best and safest for you. I have nearly exhausted my poor old arthritic fingers typing this, so I will sign off now... Dave Weller P.S... Ken McD .. I tried that raw egg bit this morn before I practiced my forms. Darn difficult to do them barfing ,,,,, Yuck !!!!! I'll stick with my normal bloody mary and celery stick. ; ) “Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. Practice ten thousand hours and you learn about yourself.” Myamoto Musashi ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:50:12 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #265 In a message dated 4/20/00 12:57:54 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << You MUST NOT treat all the children the same. Yes you can. I make my classes so incredibly exciting, so high energy, that no one has time to get bored. Yes some need a bit of extra attention, they take longer to learn their forms, that's ok and they get extra attention where needed, but to treat them differently....... Yelling at her, or making her do pushups because she did not follow your general instructions is destructive to her, and potentially disruptive to the class. >>Who's yelling at anyone? That's not allowed in my school. We run a PCP school, Praise Correct Praise. Gary Pieratt ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:56:44 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #265 In a message dated 4/20/00 12:57:54 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I would be interested to know how Gary would react to a kid who came to class having lost an arm. Treating them ALL the same would exclude the kid from punching exercises requiring two hands. Or would he find a way to work around that. >> Gary has a 16 year old black belt who last fall had to have both feet amputated due to injuries from a car wreck (car caught fire). She'll be back in class in a few months with her new prosthetic feet. Does she want to be treated differently? No. Will she be able to do all the drills she did before? Of course not! Of course there will be some drills that she can't do, but she will be treated the same. She's still a person that want positive feed back and tons of encouragement. That's the way we treat ADD students, the same as everyone, positive reinforcement and tons of encouragement. Works for us. Gary Pieratt ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #267 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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