From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #268 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 21 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 268 In this issue: Re: the_dojang: KIM Nam-jae's tapes the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #266 the_dojang: Training Advice - Thanks the_dojang: ADHD and Martial arts the_dojang: time for a new topic, was ADHD ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800+ members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Holcombe Thomas" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:24:35 -0700 Subject: Re: the_dojang: KIM Nam-jae's tapes > >> The best series of videos I have seen are >> expensive, and in korean, but includes all the basic techniques of Hapkido >> from color belt up. This set was put out by the Korea Hapkido Federation. >> For more information on this set, feel free to email me and I'l put you in >> touch with the organization that distributes this set. > > I have a set of those tapes, Master KIM Nam-jae's tapes, and recently sent > an extra set to Master JR West. We might be able to get more sent in > directly from Master KIM if there is sufficient interest. > > Holcombe, what do you think? >> HI, Ray. I would assume that Kim Kwanjangnim would be willing to ship some tapes in if there was sufficient interest. I'll ask him and let you know. I'm not sure if I'll make GM Ji's seminar. I'd love to go, but we will be leaving for Hong Kong a week or ten days after the seminar, which pushes the time a bit. Kim Nam Jae was talking about coming for it, though. Should that happen, I'll be there. Holcombe ------------------------------ From: Donnla Nic Gearailt Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:48:54 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #266 >From: Oregfightingarts@aol.com >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:43:31 EDT >Subject: the_dojang: Re: jose > >I should have mentioned that I will not train anyone that is on any type of drug that a >lters any contious or emotional state, whether it is prescribed or an illegal substance >. I feel it is a liability issue and feel that I to allow this might endanger the phys >ical well being of another student. I have experienced first hand the trauma of a pers >on 'missing' the dose of whatever wonderdrug the person has been prescribed, and missi >ng the 'fix' of illegal substances...both experiences almost got me killed. If someone > is on a drug for emotional stability, fails to take it, then comes to class where (at >least in my training) they are subjected to emotional and adrenaline triggering situati >onal training (scenario's) they may lose control and injure themselves or others. This > is too much liability for me to try to control, and prohibiting it is a way for me to >CYA. You are correct in that some people may absolutely need to be on some type of med > to function properly...but the bo! >! >ttom line for me is the transferring of potentially lethal skills to a person that may >become unstable. That would be negligence, but I will certainly continue learning about > advances in medical treatment of these problems, and may change my policies at some po >int in the future. >sincerely, >mark gajdostik Words fail me. I find the above insulting beyond the pale. I am one of those people you refer to - I am on long-term medication for a mood disorder. I deeply resent your inplication that teaching someone like me "potentially lethal skills" is likely to lead to me using them to kill someone else. Contrary to what you believe, the vast vast majority of those on psychiatric medication are neither dangerous to others nor a threat, whether or not they miss their "daily dose". Furthermore, I find your sarcastic referral to "wonderdrugs" and a "fix" as as ignorant and in fact dangerous. It's about time people stopped discriminating against those on medication due to prejudice. Tell me, have you actually studied any of the litterature on the subject of these medications? DO you hold any qualifications in medicine or psychology? Furthermore, views like yours, that paint medications as somehow like addictive illegal drugs, contribute to the climate of projudice and lead many people to stop taking their medications. May I say again that implying that anyone on psychiatric medications is a potential danger is what I would call a prejudiced, ignorant and patently untrue statement. It's about time attitudes like these were consgined to where they belong, somewhere in the 19th century. I do not expect this of course to convince you to change your view, I have met people like you before and my experience is that they think they know better than anyone else. I don't CARE how experienced a martial artist you are, that does not entitle you to make prejudiced, ignorant statements like this. Inform yourself. Read. Consult some reputable sources. Donnla. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Donnla Nic Gearailt Computer Laboratory, New Museums Site, Graduate Student Pembroke St., Cambridge CB2 3QG, U.K. tel: +44-1223-334619 http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~dbn20/ "An eyelash! How could you be so careless!" - Jude Law, Gattaca ------------------------------ From: CA&B Skjold Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:45:19 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Training Advice - Thanks Thank you all for your input. Last Night our instructor did suggest all the adults start wearing 'chops' so I'm sure that will help some, but another thing I noticed last night, when she get bored with a move (i.e., she thinks we've practiced it too many times in a row that night) her offense and her targets are slaked and she doesn't move back as I move forward in attack and that is when I come closer to contact, anyhow... I will talked to my SaBumNim, slowing & easing up a bit and take into consideration the 'personal space' issue, etc., as those of you who responded suggested. You folks are wonderful, you helped me with my breaking anxiety and now with this. How do I repay you all for your support?! Many Thanks, Anne ------------------------------ From: rjorr@exis.net Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:33:15 -500 Subject: the_dojang: ADHD and Martial arts This string is getting as out of control as previous ones, unfortunately with less respect, insight, or intelligence. We need to keep our posts short and to the point. As a parent of an ADHD child, a martial arts instructor, and an attorney, there is some truth in almost every post, but most of the posts from the non-medical folks are way out of line. First, ADHD is a definite physiological problem, not a myth. No reputable evidence contradicts this. Nevertheless, there are many who mid-diagnose or over prescribe, and in many cases, though not all, behavioral efforts such as we teach in MA classes can help, and even possibly substitue for, meds. Neverthless, the meds, in properly diagnosed cases, are as necessary for the child to process information as my eyeglasses are to see. And to arbitrarily deny the child the chance for that aid makes as much sense as tellin a child who cannot see without glasses that they simply have to operate in the class while blind. The Americans with Disabilities Act does apply in these cases and could be used to hold an organization accountable for discriminating against a child, but the reality is that a private club would probably not be held to ADA standards. The rule will be different, however, if you teach in a public school, community center, or some other forum with "public" access. Finally, the best test of whether or not ADHD has been properly diagnosed (at least for the layman)is what efferct the drug has on the child - yes, Ritalin is an "upper" - but in the unique brain chemistry of the ADHD, it is metabolized as a depressant - calming rather than hyping the child. As the Doctor advised, earlier, though, the skills we teach are very valuable to ADHD children and we should not lose sight of this, so how about we all get off the debate on whether ADHD is or isn't "valid" (since none of us will change the other's minds) and get back to "here's a drill - practice - technique I've found useful." ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: time for a new topic, was ADHD Ok folks, the ADD/ADHD thread is now officially over. No more. Take it to private email. Got it? Ray ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #268 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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