From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #270 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 22 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 270 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #267 the_dojang: panic/breakdown the_dojang: small dojangs the_dojang: self defense the_dojang: Hapkido School Listings... the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #269 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #269 [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ICyrus8528@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:53:12 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #267 Chris: Thank you for your warm welcome. What is now called ChoSon Kwon Bup, formerly ChoSonDo (I do not know what it was called prior to 1918), according to information I received as a part of the art's archive, originated in Pyongyang, North Korea in 1850. The founders name was Kim, Chong Hi. Kim came from a middle class family who were merchants. He loved the martial arts and studied much from several sources (I was told that he even travelled to Okinawa). He apparently studied wrestling (Shuai Jiao), Shaolin Long Fist, Taek Kyon, and some Okinawan Arts (I am not sure which)). However, he created what he called a form of Kwon Bup (Fist Method). ChoSon Kwon Bup skills appears very Chinese. There are five basic Hyung (Forms) although I have added three of my own. I am the 7th successor. This is a very abbreviated version of the art's history. Not very glamorous or romantic I am affraid. There is much more to ChoSon Kwon Bup's origin but this is for an expanded publication. My martial arts background is in Jiu Jitsu, Taekwondo, Hapkido, Kuk Sool, Chen Tai Ji Chuan, Yin Fu Ba Gua, Itto Tenshin Ryu Ken Jutsu, and ChoSon Kwon Bup. My academic training is in Physical Education (Athletic Training & Sports Medicine) and Bio-Mechanics. Professionally I have been a U.S. Marine, Martial Art Teacher, and a FBI Special Agent. Since Inherited the art eight years ago I have made some changes in its technical content. My past experiences has definitely transformed ChoSon Kwon Bup. I was recently in South Korea and was invited to give a short demonstration at the Kido Hae's 2nd Int'l Martial Art Championship & Exhibition. Following my demonstration several of the martail art leaders in Korea (including Doju Suh, Bok Sup, Choi Yong Sul, the founder of Hapkido first student) made some very comments about my demo. They were pleased that ChoSon Kwon Bup was still alive and well and that it was in capable hands (not to toot my own horn). That's enough for now and thanks again. Ian A. Cyrus, Ph.D., DOM Headmaster & 7th Successor ------------------------------ From: Oregfightingarts@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:52:42 EDT Subject: the_dojang: panic/breakdown Greetings all, I rec'd a call from another instructor today regarding a beginning student, who started crying in class after the instructor made contact with them. He said that he was using very good control, and that he made very light contact with their upper arm/shoulder. They then got a very fearful look on their face, and started shaking and then began to cry. After taking them out of class, and calming them, he began asking as to why. They said that they felt an overwhelming panic when they were hit, and that this had not ever happened to them before. I've encountered this 2 times in the last 18 years, and many instructors I've talked to have never had this happen. In both cases, the crying started after very light contact, both times with no aggressive intent behind the moves, but only in a 'let me show you how' type situation. One was a boy about 13 or so, and the other was a 25 year old woman. Neither had a history of being abused or mistreated. Both came from families who were very against physical/corporal discipline, but both had been smacked or spanked a couple times. Both had siblings that were also students, that showed no unusual response to physical contact, in fact, the one wanted more contact. I helped them overcome it, by slooowwwlllyyy going from far away non contact to very light non aggressive actions like standing holds/controls and unbalancing etc. After a while, they went back to normal class activity with no further incident. The boy is now in college, and competes in Judo. The woman now instructs police combatives in another state. Questions to the group are these: Have you encountered this before, how often, what was situation, who were students (generally), and what was done. Does anyone collect data/stats on this type of thing? Train hard, Mark Gajdostik ------------------------------ From: "Moja Kwan - C. Richards" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:22:55 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: small dojangs <> Dear Miss Illona, In terms of Graden, NAPMA and Buzz Durkin, my intent was to share some ideas with others on the list who might me thinking of starting a small club, mid sized dojang or commercial Tae Bo center. There are benefits to each and they may or may not be mutually exclusive. I for one will not be teaching CARDIO, PEE-WEES, or 6 week EZ Defense Classes complete with a *Blackbelt* {shrug}. However, If someone can produce 30 or so quality yudanja does it matter that they are the same 30 students that have been training in a back yard for 5 years, or just the top 10% of a *all things to all people* commercial studio of 300 that pays the rent, and pays a quality traditional martial artist a salary she/he can support their family on. I believe these are the type of questions/dialogue that comes up on a list like this and I applaud Mr.. Terry for hosting it. I hope that quality martial artists like yourself, will continue to post views, so that all of us can continue to share, grow, evolve, change, honor traditions, etc.. As to being old fashioned, my former business partner told me I was a 1%er, a true dinosaur, that I had no head for business, and would never have a *successful* commercial studio. But I am just a lowly speck of sand among the desert of more knowledgeable....... What Do I Know... Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/YosemiteDr/mojakwan/ P.S. If you have a market, and you continue to teach quality martial arts, you just might have a financially successful dojang with some time and hard work. GM West has had some good posts on that topic, and he is a fine example of a dojang that is open to everyone, yet produces quality martial artists, and is even predominately adult based. I have met others who have put in the mat time to develop a school that pays them a salary every month without selling out their personal beliefs....good luck! ------------------------------ From: "Moja Kwan - C. Richards" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:30:29 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: self defense Dear Miss Illona, Forgot to say, I love self defense, pressure point and joint lock applications, and yes *traditional* hyungs. As I said in another post, I don't see how someone can have a martial arts program without them (IMHO), but for some others (probably not you and I) the general public seems to be OK with omitting part of the art or dabbling in various martial sports. For the 100%ers out there, if you're already paying the lease, and have the skill sets to teach such programs, it just might keep your doors open..... Keep the faith, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/YosemiteDr/mojakwan/ ------------------------------ From: J Thomas Howard Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:11:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido School Listings... Somewhere in there, I was invoked... :) Someone was asking about Hapkido school listings---there is a large-ish dojang listing at: http://www.binary.net/thomcat/Dojdir.html If anyone looks through it and doesn't find their school, PLEASE add it using the form provided. Currently, I run about 2-4 weeks behind on adding listings, so be patient about the listing actually appearing----it WILL get there, it just takes me awhile. I'll also at this time apologize for the mess there---I REALLY need to divide them up by area better. You might think about doing a word search on the city you are looking for, though many of the US dojangs are divided by state pretty well. I'll note: these schools are all different types, styles, and associations, and I have been to almost none of them---so, as with all schools, take your time and check them out before joining up. Anyone in the Lincoln, NE, USA area is welcome to visit me here. :) Thomas - ------------------------------------ thomcat@binary.net http://www.binary.net/thomcat/ "If you aren't modeling what you are teaching then you are teaching something else." ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:49:37 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #269 In a message dated 4/21/00 6:20:21 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I have dropped receiving my packages from the NAPMA group to an every month thing to every 3 months based on the fact I have been getting bored of their fad stuff they have been trying to introduce to the MA dojo owners >> I also cut back to quarterly. Got tired of them trying to get me to spend $300 on ACMA instructor certification. Gary Pieratt ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:53:36 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #269 In a message dated 4/21/00 6:20:21 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << If anyone could send me some information to my personal account about their school or where I could find listings online, please do so. The kinds of information that I'm looking for are: Name, Address including town and state, phone number, BRIEF description of your curriculum, affiliation and any other pertinent information. >> Hapkido & tkd school for a list of hapkido schools. Gary P ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #270 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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