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Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #274
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The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 24 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 274
In this issue:
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #273
the_dojang: Re: chops
the_dojang: Hapkido Teachers
the_dojang: Bong Soo Han's teacher
the_dojang: Teaching the old way
the_dojang: ChoSonDo ??
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From: Beungood@aol.com
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:25:26 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #273
In a message dated 4/23/00 5:39:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:
<< he person I succeeded is Michael Atamian
formerly of Rhode Island and Balckstone, MA. >>
I think I remember (back in the 80's) reading an article in TaeKwondo Times
Written by him about the Art dying. Is this the same man?
Jack
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From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:33:27 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: chops
In a message dated 4/23/00 10:28:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:
<< melinda they are the gloves, punches or whatever you want to call them. We
always called them chops.
Frank >>
nevvah hurduvit. thanks for the enlightenment, frank. i appreciate it :)
melinda
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From: RDNHJMS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:40:48 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Teachers
Todd wrote:
<< Why is it that many of the high ranking Masters and Grandmasters will not
claim Sin Moo Doju Ji as there teacher? (Kwang, Sik Myung, Bong, Soo Han
exct.) It is my understanding that both of these asteemed teachers were not
regular
students of the Founder Choi, Yong Sool but seminar participants.>>
Good question. I don't claim to have any more insight into Hapkido history
than anyone else on this list. But here is what I think. GM Ji has told me
that when he was young, he could be very mean. What he taught in the early
days was fighting, and not so much philosophy. And he fought a lot.
Here is more of my "opinion": Some of GM Ji's early students may have felt
that they were not treated as they expected to be treated. Also, it is only
human instinct to want to seek out the teacher of your teacher, because he
would certainly have more knowledge than your teacher.
I have heard of many cases today where a student will betray his teacher and
abandon him to get closer to a grand master for their own selfish reasons.
To these I say, let your conscious me your guide.
Also, GM Ji was very young when he opened his first dojang in Seoul. Some of
his student who are now grand masters were older than him.
It's good to see more Hapkido stuff on the list, and in such a respectful
manner.
V/R,
Rick Nabors
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From: MichaelChoi@aol.com
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:05:49 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Bong Soo Han's teacher
Rick, you are right that Bong Soo Han did train under Grandmaster Ji, Han Jae
and that he received his 9th degree through him. (Isn't it a little odd that
Han holds a 10th degree now when one of his teacher's, namely Ji, is still
alive?) According to Dr. Kimm's Hapkido Bible, Han also trained with Choi,
Yong-Sool and claimed him as his teacher.
I also think that Han should credit Ji as his teacher, but perhaps Han sees
Choi and not Ji his ultimate Mentor. I don't know.
Sincerely,
Michael Choi
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:02:41 PDT
Subject: the_dojang: Teaching the old way
> than anyone else on this list. But here is what I think. GM Ji has told me
> that when he was young, he could be very mean. What he taught in the early
> days was fighting, and not so much philosophy. And he fought a lot.
GM Choi was supposedly very mean, also. Of course in the late 1940s, 50s
and early 60s many/most martial arts students in Korea were beat by their
instructors. Hwang Kee, Gen. Choi, etc, they all taught that way. Many
still carry the scars they 'earned' in those days.
Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:33:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: the_dojang: ChoSonDo ??
Headmaster Cyrus,
wrt ChoSonDo, is there any relationship between it and LEE Kyung Suk's
Choson Yon Moo Kwan, established after WWII ? My guess would be no, but
thought I'd ask...
Ray Terry
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:19:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [none]
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