From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #277 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 24 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 277 In this issue: the_dojang: ROK Reference Correction the_dojang: lineage of the various arts the_dojang: Re: For Tink, re: Training in Korea vs. US the_dojang: kuk sool hapkido the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #276 the_dojang: Welcome Vlado! the_dojang: ROK the_dojang: ROK [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:10:25 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: ROK Reference Correction You are Correct Terry... ROK...REPUBLIC of KOREA...not Royal Order of Korea My Mistake...Had my brain working to fast instead of thinking... Sorry for the error.. The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: Daniel Monjar Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:27:42 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: lineage of the various arts Firstly, I mean absolutely no disrespect with the following question. I am curious, as a newbie to the Arts, however. Why are people so interested in the lineage of the various branches? Interested to the point where there is argument over, to me, obscure and arcane points of history. - -- Daniel Monjar / Organon Teknika, Durham, NC US From Dept. of State Consular information sheet on El Salvador: "Many Salvadorans are armed and shootouts are not uncommon." ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: For Tink, re: Training in Korea vs. US Tink noted: Response: a. When I lived in Korea, several American instructors noted (Kuk Sool Won) that the Korean Kuk Sool training was watered down and not as difficult or demanding as in the American system. They believed that for the Koreans, it was more of a cultural status thing to obtain your black belt. I was also told that black belts were given out more freely and in shorter duration. Unsure if this is true and I certainly do not want to infer any negative connotations. However, I did notice that the overwhelming majority of students were young. There is a lot more respect for authority in Korea. I believe the cultural and philosophical differences on respecting authority is more deeply entrenched in Korea than US. Finally, many Koreans consider Masters in Martial Arts to also be healers and bring their families to them for consultation. Hence, your comparing apples to oranges. b. Americans who brought the martial arts systems over from Asia, after World War II, used similar training modalities with their students. Today that may not work since motivational techniques, sophistication of the students, the internet, and mass communications have eroded the "You listen only to me" mindset. Look at a Pro Basketball coach in the NBA, the successful ones are motivators and pyschologists (pun). The autocratic systems appears not to work anymore. c. I would place the US Seal and Ranger training up against any ROK special forces team. d. I would be interested to know how the Israeli training is when compared to Korean military, since they have a similar mindset, re: "Never again." Thanks, Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:05:59 GMT Subject: the_dojang: kuk sool hapkido Regarding the thread about "Kuk Sool Hapkido." In the September 1996 issue of "Taekwon-Do Times" Dr. He-Young Kimm talks about his relationship with both GM Ji, Han Jae and Kuk Sa Nym In, Hyuk Suh. He states that he and GM Suh formed a partnership to further both of their arts (Dr. Kimm was a high ranking black belt in both Kuk Sool and Hapkido). They called the name of this organization "Kuk Sool Hapkido." Later this term was dropped due to a personality clash between Suh and a higher ranking Hapkido Master (if I remember correctly - I'm at work). Perhaps there is some relation to these events and the Kuk Sool Hapkido dojangs in Korea? Or was this a purely US phenomena? Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:00:29 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #276 In a message dated 4/24/00 10:40:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > and from it came the ROK (Royal Order of Korea) Armed Forces, one of the > > I thought ROK was the Republic of Korea. > I thought so too, and so does my encyclopedia. SESilz ------------------------------ From: "Mitar or Marko" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:39:28 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: Welcome Vlado! If I remember well enough Vlado, I read your mail for the first time in The_Dojang-Digest #276, so I wish you welcome from a neighboring country, Serbia. It's nice to have somebody else from this part of Europe (I think that until now, the only two persons from the eastern / southern Europe in The_Dojang were Mr Piotr Bernat and myself). Regards, Mitar ------------------------------------------------------------ E - mail: tkwd@drenik.net If you want to know anything about Tae Kwon Do, visit us at: http://home.drenik.net/tkwd ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: HwarangTSD@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:31:38 EDT Subject: the_dojang: ROK Terry you are correct, sir. ROK is indeed the Republic of Korea. Master Frank Clay ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:11:08 EDT Subject: the_dojang: ROK ROK does stand for Republic of Korea. The Korean Royal Court felt that the West consisted of repugnant barbarians. The first Koreans to use Koreans were educated in America, such as Yun Chi-Ho, Ahn Chang-ho, Rhee Syng-man. ROK, Republic of Korea, is Daehan Minguk in Korea which is the current name of South Korea. The last royal dynasty to rule Korea was the Yi Dynasty which called the nation Choson (not Korea) and it was a monarchy, not a republic. There is a very slight possibility that ROK is for Royal Order Koreans, but it's very unlikely. Sincerely, Michael Choi ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #277 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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