From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #278 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 25 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 278 In this issue: the_dojang: Hackworth the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #274 the_dojang: The_dojang: Re: Kuk Sool in Korea the_dojang: The Old Ways the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #277 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #277 [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 800 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HKDHW@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:57:19 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Hackworth I just spent the past Hour talking to Richard Hackworth and to my satisfaction things have been settled, There is no bitter feelings or anger and our talk was very informative and a lot of issues were settled and in the end Hapkido wins is this what we all want? No losers and no winners We as martial artists have to unite Hapkido and to those that wrote on my behalf it, Is done no more. Hal Whalen ------------------------------ From: ICyrus8528@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:40:35 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #274 I will answer a couple of questions here. First, Grandmaster Michael Atamian wrote an editorial in the early eighties expressing his disappointment regarding the fact the his art was becoming extinct. This was because several of his top students (who I shall not name) had, as most students do at some point, disregarded his teachings. So, yes he was that person. Second, Grandmaster Kim, Yi Soo taught several students in South Korea who eventually created their own schools. I don't know who they are. There is much about the early history of this art I do know. Grandmaster Suh, In Sun has been extremely helpfull in helping me to piece together those gaps. Ian A. Cyrus ------------------------------ From: WEE Shin Hoe Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:17:26 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: The_dojang: Re: Kuk Sool in Korea > I cannot speak for your dojang, but it appears other Hapkido KukSool schools are in fact related to KukSoolWon; they wear the black uniforms and teach the KukSool program including their forms, weapons, etc. > > Jesse Dear Jesse, Thanks for the information. Our dojang has nothing to do with KukSool Won and we follow the KHA. Unfortunately, Kuk Sool also means "national martial art" in Korean. We use it to differentiate us from Aikido. As you are aware of, Hapkido and Aikido share the same Chinese characters. In our context, the words we used to describe our dojang's art "Korean Kuk Sool Hapkido" explained that we are practising Korean National Martial Art - Hapkido. - -- Regards, WEE Shin Hoe Malaysia Email : shinhoe@pc.jaring.my ------------------------------ From: "Moja Kwan - C. Richards" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:36:04 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: The Old Ways <<, but the philosophy was still: "Be here and endure because you want to be and you want to learn, or quit." I have found that in most of us who have trained under these "OLD" style Masters and Grand Masters that the discipline and tradition of the art is very solid and firm. >> I couldn't have said it better. <> Tink, your observations may not be all seeing, but are at least confirmed. At one time I was on an island of sorts, separated by some distance from my TSDMDK brothers. I went by a school that indicated they taught Tang Soo Do, I was so excited. I was only a lowly Cho Dan at the time so I paused when several youth students ran right by me without acknowledging me. I almost lost it when a student with his top wide open and his belt around his neck interrupted the owner/chief instructor and addressed him by his first name during class. To my surprise, the owner stoped his class to respond to this darling 7 year old {shrug}. Later, one of the senior Cho Dans asked me to help him with Bassai and Naihanchi so he could get ready for his 2nd Dan exam {shrug}. I can thank this school for many lessons in both point fighting, and free sparring in general. What traditions were preserved there, I don't know.....but then I am only a grain of sand...... Yours in training, Charles ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:52:38 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #277 In a message dated 4/24/00 7:15:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > Finally, many Koreans > consider Masters in Martial Arts to also be healers and bring their > families to them for consultation. Hence, your comparing apples to oranges. > I hate to break it to you, but they are also often considered thugs or gangsters (GangPae, in Korean). I used to think like you, but have learned otherwise. Few if any Korean parents I've met - and that is quite many - dream for their children to become martial arts masters when they grow up. Sadly there is a very negative feeling towards this field these days amongst many Koreans outside the martial arts world. SESilz ------------------------------ From: Vlado Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #277 Thank you, Mitar! In fact several months ago I posted a little(that was actually the first time - not that it matters). The unfortunate occasion was that I had undergone Hepatitis A and I sought advice on my recovery. Several wonderful people on the list offered some really great ideas. I'll always be thankful to them, and especially to Chaney, who sent me books - I was so happy that I could almost melt.. :-). And yes, really, I don't think I have spotted other Eastern Europeans on the list. Thanks again for the warm welcoming. PS: this is in connection with my post on ITF/WTF terminology: I seem to have forgotten to enter the url for the Korean self-teacher. It is http://catcode.com/kintro/index.htm . Thank you Tink! Thank you Piotr! I'm very happy you sent me these so valuable files. Thanks again Vlado _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #278 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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