From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #281 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 26 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 281 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: HKD history the_dojang: history of hapkido the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #278 the_dojang: Classroom Decorum the_dojang: Re: Getting Married=Wedlock is a Padlock ! (off topic=sorry) the_dojang: Re: Announcement=Clarification sought plus word to the wise (list wars) Re: the_dojang: history of hapkido Re: the_dojang: Re: HKD history the_dojang: no problems please the_dojang: Re: HKD history ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 850 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 23:50:10 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: HKD history In a message dated 4/25/00 10:57:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << HKD history >> This was a very interesting and well written history of Hapkido. I have two questions. First, the author doesn't mention the circumstances under which GM Ji left the government employ after Gen. (President) Park's death. Wasn't he the president's body guard and thus bore some responsibility for his assassination and left in some disgrace because of this? I could have this totally wrong, which is why I am asking. Also, the author does not mention the World Hapkido Federation. Where does that fit in in this whole scheme? If anyone can clarify this for me I would appreciate it. I am also very curious about how GM Ji changed or augmented his Hapkido technique in response to his exposure to boxers, though I imagine that this is hard to know. I have heard the criticism that Jujitsu, and Hapkido techniques that developed from jujitsu are based in Samurai situations, where the opponent grabs the swordsman's wrist as he reaches for the sword, or you grab the opponents wrist as he reaches for his sword, and thus so many techniques based on the wrist grab. The author I read on this argues that because of this, Jujitsu and Hapkido techniques are less practical against modern pugilism or street situations where the nature of the attack is very different than in the samurai days. I have noticed that many techniques in response to a punch in Hapkido are practiced off the straight punch, where as I suspect that most punches on the street are hooks or haymaker type punches. Anyone care to comment on this? Jose' ------------------------------ From: HwarangTSD@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 00:31:15 EDT Subject: the_dojang: history of hapkido Thanks Ray. Have you seen the article in tkd times? What did you think of this, and how accurate is it? Master Frank Clay ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 07:30:38 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #278 Korean martial art masters are mixed bag. Some are gangsters whose only ambition in life is to be tough and to sadistically train their students to be the meanest in the world. Others want to share their lives into their students to help them become better human beings. And many fall in between. My parents wonder why am I so interested in Korean martial arts when it has such low standing in Korean society. One main reason is my first teacher, Master Tae Hee Kim. Although I trained with him for only a short time, he not only taught but exemplified the sense of justice, wisdom, compassion, perserverance, and humanity that every human being should have. Although I have experienced a lot, both good and bad, both in the US and in Korea, I remain interested in Korean martial arts because of the potential it has in improving the lives of many in today's society. I'm not here to fight against tough, stubborn masters, but rather I discuss with those with open ears how we can help society through martial arts. Sincerely I remain, Michael Choi ------------------------------ From: MichaelChoi@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 07:30:41 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Classroom Decorum A certain level of quality modicum and decorum is absolutely essential in teaching Korean martial arts, whether taekwondo, hapkido, kuk sool, yudo, kumdo. One cannot instill loyalty, respect, self-control, filial piety, perserverance into students unless the dojang has certain rules. I do not believe in running a class like the Middle Ages. So, what do I think are integral? Respectful appearance, orderly compliance to the instructor, bowing, orderly conduct. Without these, the dojang is no different than than the School of Hard Knocks in the Bronx. Sincerely, Mike ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 06:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Getting Married=Wedlock is a Padlock ! (off topic=sorry) First, wishing Alain Burrese and his fiancee all the best in the world. Good luck and may your marriage be a joyful journal. Digressing. The other side of marriage. I think it was around 1985. I was sitting in a Blues Bar in Chicago on Lincoln Avenue. Sippin' on a few beers. The blues band in the bar, about 5 feet away from me, was playin' that down home style blues that grabs you by the throat and won't let go. So, the singer starts singing a song called "Wedlock is a Padlock !" It was about his marriage and his wife was using all his credit cards, checking out his wallet, and waiting for him to come home at night. I recall glancing across the table at my date who was pushing for the Big "C" (re: commitment). He, the singer, was padlocked from his former single freedom. Hi to Janice in Chicago. Again, best of luck to you, Mr. Burrese ! McD... - --- ChunjiDo@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/25/00 1:28:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > aburrese@aol.com > writes: > > << I will be picking Yi Saeng up this Friday in Spokane WA >> > > cool alain! :) > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 07:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Announcement=Clarification sought plus word to the wise (list wars) Jeremy: I agree in principle with your comments below. However, please note that several times the TKD-net has spouted propaganda about someone trying to cause problems on their list. The general thesis has been that other members from others lists, i.e., The Dojang Digest or now your list, are secretly plotting against Glenn. This secret conspiracy, to cause "problems" on the TKD-net, is apparently ongoing. It has a pattern to it and usually rears its ugly head when things are going well on The Dojang Digest and Martial Science lists. I provide this information to you since I do not want you to be suckered by a sheep in wolves clothing. In sum, I suggest you analyze the source of the complaint, the actual truth behind the complaint, and the legitimacy of the complaint. I also suggest you discuss this privately with Mr. Ray Terry. Mr. Terry has periodically made readers aware that the TKD net was spouting the same conspiracy theory. In sum, word to the wise. Carefully analyze any bogus allegations. Ken McD... - --- Jeremy Talbott wrote: > It has come to my attention that someone has been causing a lot of > problems on the TKD-net. Though I am sure it is not stemming from any > of our members here, I still want to make this announcement. If I am > to find out that it is any of our members here, I will ban you from > this list and put the word out to other lists of your type of > behavior. I find the actions of whoever doing this to be childish, > ignorant, and very unbecoming of what martial arts is about. I do not > wish my list or myself to be connected to such person. I know the > "threat" of banning you from the list is not a huge one, but this is > one less list you will have access to talk to some great Masters and > practitioners. > > Again I do feel that this person is not a member of this list however, > I just want this to be known. We do not discuss members of other > lists or other lists themselves in a negative matter. If you feel you > have to, take it private. Thank you. I will now step down from my > soapbox before I am kicked off of it. > > Jeremy > Once we discover a common ground, the walls of difference begin to fall. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 7:34:07 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: history of hapkido > Thanks Ray. Have you seen the article in tkd times? What did you think of > this, and how accurate is it? I've read a couple interviews in TKD Times over the past few years that, while not being positioned as Choi vs. Ji articles, clearly were. It seems like people are remembering the events of 45 years ago differently. Not all that difficult to do. Just as with the training that GM Choi supposedly received in Daito Ryu from Takeda Sensei. What did actually happen and when? I've heard GM Ji's side of the story directly from him and I have no reason to doubt him. I'm sure others can say the same thing about those they have had direct contact with. But there does seem to be parallel with Bruce Lee here. Sifu Lee learned Wing Chun from Yip Man and then went on to create a new art, Jeet Kune Do. Gm Ji learned Yawara from Gm Choi and then went on to create a new art, Hapkido. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 7:41:32 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: HKD history > << HKD history >> > This was a very interesting and well written history of Hapkido. I have two > questions. First, the author doesn't mention the circumstances under which GM > Ji left the government employ after Gen. (President) Park's death. GM Ji was the head of the presidential bodyguards when President Park's wife was killed during an attempt on the President's life. Gm Ji was out of the country on R&R at the time. Gm Ji was not the head of the bodyguards when President Park was killed. The new bodyguard was with President Park at that time and was also killed. The assassin was the head of the Korean CIA, i.e. someone within President Park's inner circle. > I am also very curious about how GM Ji changed or augmented his Hapkido > technique in response to his exposure to boxers, though I imagine that this > is hard to know. One of GM Ji's dojangs was next to, or near to, a boxing gym. So he watched how they boxed and then added ways to deal with their style of non-overextended punching. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 7:48:39 PDT Subject: the_dojang: no problems please I, too, respectfully request that no one cause problems for Glenn on his list. Just as we don't want people causing problems on our list, we also do not want people causing problems on Glenn's list. Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: jsegovia@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:32:43 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: HKD history Very interesting article. When was it written (I went to the roundhouse site but couldn't find it)? It mentions as one of the three main Hapkido organizations in Korea GM Kim MooWoong's International Hapki Association, but doesn't mention GM Hwang DukKyu's Korean Hapkido Association. Is anyone familiar with GM Kim's organization? Jesse ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #281 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.