From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #284 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 26 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 284 In this issue: the_dojang: sorry for the short issue the_dojang: Straight Punch or Haymaker Re: the_dojang: Kuialua? the_dojang: weapon training for LEFTIES the_dojang: Question on WTF and ITF Taekwondo the_dojang: History the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #283 the_dojang: SEALS vs ROK the_dojang: WOW Re: the_dojang: History the_dojang: Re: Ranger training [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 850 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: sorry for the short issue Sorry for the short issue (the last one). My bad... Ray ------------------------------ From: "DREW" Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:22:41 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Straight Punch or Haymaker >.. I have noticed that many techniques in >response to a punch in Hapkido are practiced off the straight punch, where as >I suspect that most punches on the street are hooks or haymaker type punches. >Anyone care to comment on this? Jose' Jose' While having not been in a fight for quite sometime, but seeing a few. I would say that most untrained folks start with a haymaker, it feels the most natural and gives (falsly) the feeling of more power. Training for a straight punch is better for reaction time since there is little "drawback" time involved. I did see a guy pull back for a haymaker only to get a quick pop from a palm heel, and I have personally blocked and passed a haymaker from a really big guy (he 6'3" me 5'11") turned him and stepped behind him. You just seem to have a lot more time to counter with a haymaker. From this I would still devote more time to working on straight punches and a few drills on haymakers. This is just because straight punches are harder for me to block/duck, and counter. Anger is an important part of this, when folks get mad they want that one BIG hit, they loose control and balance. It's the calm cool guys that make me concerned, chances are they open with a straight punch and have some training. DREW ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:46:53 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Kuialua? > Today I heard for a Hawaiian martial art Kuialua (I'm not sure if this is > the correct name), and since I don't know anything about it, I would > appreciate if anyone could send some informations about it. I know of the art of Lua from Hawaii. Parts of Lua were added into Danzan Ryu JuJutsu. Not sure if Kuialua and Lua are the same or different, but Lua is a 'bone breaking' art (think your typical limb destruction techniques) with a lot of throwing and weaponry. Soloman Kalaweih is known to teach Lua seminars. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:31:34 GMT Subject: the_dojang: weapon training for LEFTIES I have a question regarding the training that you weapon users do. Back in the day I used to fence (foil mostly, and some epee). Your strong hand was forward holding your blade. Using a stance with the sword in the rear hand would get one killed (although I did experiment a little with the blade in my weak hand so could mix it up on my opponents ;) I am right handed, by the way. Anyway, the question is this: when doing a weapon form with a single handed weapon do you practice only with your strong hand or do you also do the weak one? I am not talking about technique drills but actual forms in your MA system. For example, you Kuk Sool Won types, when you do your sword pattern do you always do it right handed? What if you are left handed? Does performing a pattern weak handed entail more than just changing hands? Do you change stepping, facing, etc. so the pattern is a mirror image or just change your grip? Just curious. I don't train with weapons in Taekwon-Do and my only REAL experience has been in fencing. Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: jsegovia@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:47:04 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Question on WTF and ITF Taekwondo I have a question about WTF and ITF Taekwondo. I'm not a TKD man; I studied very briefly almost twenty years ago and that was it. My only real familiarity with modern Taekwondo is what I've seen of Olympic style sparring. I realize this is WTF Taekwondo. My question is how do WTF and ITF fighters approach sparring? If a WTF and ITF man put on the pads and went at it, would one be able to easily identify the fighter from each organization? Does ITF share WTF sparring techniques such as fast leg roundhouse, apbal kick, cut kick, who jin and jun jin steps, etc.? Jesse ------------------------------ From: HKDTodd@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:50:42 EDT Subject: the_dojang: History In a message dated 4/26/00 11:34:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Gm Ji learned Yawara from Gm Choi and then went on to create a new art, Hapkido. >> Sin Moo Doju Ji learned Hapkido from the founder Choi, Yong Sool and went on to found Sin Moo, HKD Todd ------------------------------ From: Anders Torvill Bjorvand Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:21:16 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #283 At 13:30 26/04/2000 -0700, you wrote: >.... The number of ITF 7th Dan masters continues to >grow. There are now three ITF Grand Masters (besides General Choi). The kukkiwon has issued over 150 9th dans. >I truly believe that the future of Taekwon-Do is dependent on cooperation >between the two major organizations. I have trained both tae kwon-do and taekukkiwondo (wtf :-) and personally prefer the ITF style technically. However, the two organizations are no longer equal or comparable to each other in strength although the ITF prefer to give that impression. ITF isn't even in second place - I believe the ATA is. My best guess is that the combinded WTF and Kukkiwon (both WTF and non-WTF) branch is several tenfolds larger than ITF when it comes to masters, instructors and most importantly: members. >I don't hold out very much hope for a >merger between the two groups as there have been to many modifications and >changes in philosophy. I totally agree. Both styles have their strengths and weaknesses. We are better off maintaining them separately than trying to make a unified style. Diversity is normally a good thing. In my opinion, WTF/Kukkiwon and ITF styles are normally at least as different as different karate ryu, and the martial art community seem to have settled with the benefit of having several ryu of karate (within reasonable limits of course). >Maybe there can be a friendlier relationship between >the groups. Yes - that would most definitely be great. We can learn from each other and exchange experiences - that would be great. The whole ITF/WTF thing has its roots in american McCarthyism with extreme paranoia for the commies and the resulting Korean conflict. Sincerely, Anders Torvill Bjorvand ------------------------------ From: "White Lotus" Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:25:34 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: SEALS vs ROK Greetings, (good pun for anyone older than 40 regarding this topic!) I can't speak about the ROK SF training but I am sure it is tough. > "c. I would place the US Seal and Ranger training up against any ROK > special forces team." There is a BIG difference between Ranger training and SEAL training. No comparison in difficulty. SEALS is much harder. SEALS are SF Rangers are quick response light infantry troops considered to be a regular, albeit highly trained US Army unit. A better comparison to SEALS would be the USA Green Berets.... but then there is Delta > Note that I am not into the Seals are better than the ____. I am merely > recounting what I have seen. The training and endurance tests these Seals > go through is simply amazing ! The mastery of survival techniques and > weapons is unsurpassed. These people are BAD___S ! For my money if you want the best trained US Military SF unit it is the USAF Parajumpers. Their school is twice as long as the SEALS and their attrition rate from training is close to 90%! Compared to 60% for SEALS, meaning less than 10% of the PJ candidates pass vs. less than 40% of the SEALS. The PJs water training is much harder than SEALS too. Mark ------------------------------ From: "StarrAvis" Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:54:18 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: WOW I laid off reading the last several weeks of the digest and wow did dave s. ever do a bashing on the UTB. That sounds like the old ITF vs WTF bashing. I know that GM Humesky is not in the good graces of the USTF but wow, Dave. BTW I still produce the EARLY MASTERS OF TKD VIDEO from the mid 1960's. george petrotta http://taekwondo.4dw.com martialarts2000@hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:28:04 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: History > In a message dated 4/26/00 11:34:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > > << Gm Ji learned Yawara from Gm Choi and then went on > to create a new art, Hapkido. >> > > Sin Moo Doju Ji learned Hapkido from the founder Choi, Yong Sool and went on > to found Sin Moo, HKD > > Todd Yes, some (many?) may choose to present it that way. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Knife1@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:08:29 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Ranger training Hello- I would like to post in reference to the US Military training thread. I am a US Army Ranger and one who has been an Instructor at the Ranger School. While I cannot attest to the toughness of other Army Special Operations schools other than Ranger School, It is not a school that I would do again. The attrition/failure rate for the course is about an average 80%. I can remember going without sleep for almost 72 hours while carrying a load that sometimes exceeded 80-100 pounds. Various training environments like; Scaling mountainous cliff faces with no end from the Tennessee Valley Divide in freezing temperatures to the endless scorching desert floors of the Proving Grounds in Dugway, Utah to the patrolling the nasty swamps of the Yellow River in Florida. The graduates of the Ranger Course know beyond any stretch of imagination what it takes to motivate their men and move weapons and equipment over sometimes impossible terrain and short time mission profiles. The missions can include but aren't limited to Raids, Ambushes, Recon missions and Pilot Rescue in hositle territory missions. As an Instructor, I saw many good soldiers, NCO's and officers fail the course because they did not have the mental or physical toughness to go the distance. This is not a toot of my own horn now, 'Cause I can remember my Ranger Buddy slapping my face in Florida Phase because I was sitting on my Rucksack blubbering like a baby because it rained for the tenth day in a row. Stuff happens. Ranger school was the most physically and mentally challenging thing I have ever accomplished in my life. Period. I am sure that there are other Special Ops folks on the list. And am sure that they have their own tales. PS> Let's not even talk about the harder training that members of the Ranger Battalion's go through daily as part of mission readiness. Jim Mahan ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #284 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.