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The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 29 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 293
In this issue:
the_dojang: Re: ki flow
the_dojang: Re: forms competition
the_dojang: Can lower Dan holders promote others to BB?
the_dojang: Once Upon a Time in Korea...
the_dojang: RE: Forms Competition
the_dojang: The Darker Side of Korea...people in glass houses
the_dojang: fund raiser
the_dojang: Attacked By A Black Belt And A Blue Belt
Re: the_dojang: Can lower Dan holders promote others to BB?
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From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:36:49 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: ki flow
In a message dated 4/28/00 2:05:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:
<< This of course is an opinion, subject to correction, modification or
outright deletion. >>
thanks for your experiences dave :). i'm not deleting ;)
melinda
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From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:45:07 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: forms competition
In a message dated 4/28/00 7:21:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:
<< What to do except have everyone do the same forms? Pretty dull world,
that... >>
absolutely, kerry :)
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From: "aparedes"
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:01:01 -0700
Subject: the_dojang: Can lower Dan holders promote others to BB?
Hello All:
I have been reading the titles and ranks but instead of getting into the
same subject, I'd like to ask this other question that comes to mind. What
degree of Black Belt must you be in order to promote others to black belt.
I'm not talking about the 9th Dan Kwanjanim promoting... I'm talking about
the lower Dan holders. For example: Can a 3rd Dan promote anyone under him
to 1st Dan? or 2nd Dan? Can a 4th Dan promote to 3rd Dan? and so forth?
This is probably more towards those of you who are on your own and have no
7,8,or 9th Dan to give his/her blessing. Thank you in advance for your
input.
Alex Paredes
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From: Ken McDonough
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:11:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: the_dojang: Once Upon a Time in Korea...
Just got back from a cruise in the 57 Chevy. Talked with my main man Steve
at the Stereo Shop. We are putting in some sounds to go along with the
headers and glasspacks...cruisin' down the street...chillin'.
Anyway, it is Friday evening. Sippin' on one of my favorite beverages after
a 2 mile jog. Was thinking back to the mid 1990's. I was training under
this
man who was a student of GM In Sun Seo. This was in Pusan, South Korea.
This
guy was an ex-marine and former kickboxer out of the West Coast, apparently
recruited by GM In Yuk Suh to the World Kuk Sool Won organization. So this
guy took me under his wing and showed me around Pusan. He was fluent in the
Korean language as his mother was Korean. His father was a GI.
I liked my "temporary" instructor. He was a good guy to hang with. But, he
had a violent and unpredictable side. Too much Soju and he would quickly
pick fights with people. I was unaware of this trait until later in our
relationship. My instructor would go down to T Street in Pusan and visit
the bars. Years ago the bars were frequented and inhabited by American
GI's. Now the bars were predominantly Russians. Mostly fisherman and sailor
types. Not your average upper class Russian.
My instructor would walk into a Russian bar (note: u can tell your in a
Russian bar by the different smell than if in an Expat bar). So he would
get loaded and then get into a cold war mentality. He thought he was back
in
Marine training. He would try his Kuk Sool techniques out on the Russians
in the bar. He apparently would wipe out the bar and come home bloody. His
wife would ask what did he do this time ?
One time he was in a bar called the Legion. It was right across the street
from the Camp Hialeah Army base. What a whacky place that was. One story I
heard was that one night he is gettin' loaded on liquor. He falls off the
chair and the Korean bouncers start laughing at him. He apparently took on
all the bouncers and wiped them out. Thereafter, whenever he returned to
the bar he was treated like royalty.
Anyway, I heard he left Korea and now lives in California. If anyone knows
where my former instructor is please let me know privately.
He wasn't a bad guy. Just slightly misunderstood. I sorta liked his "go for
it" approach to life. He was a colorful figure. A person permantly etched
in
my mind.
I do not condone the above behavior. I am merely reflecting on a past
event.
An event I recall, among other events, as I check the cesspools of my mind
!
What a great life so far...
Well, back to my favorite beverage and my 57 Chevy. Just taking a pause for
the cause. You can return to your favorite topic in the martial arts.
Thanks
for the reflection and the bandwidth.
I'm out. See ya.
Ken McD...
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From: "tink73"
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:56:50 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: RE: Forms Competition
In reference to forms competition I am going to add my humble .004 cent
worth (+/- .001 cent).
I do not believe there needs to be one set of forms/patterns/Poomse/Tae
Geuks/Palgwes/Hyungs/etc. for competition. IMVHO: what the world of
competition needs is educated Black Belt Judges. Let me try to explain my
position on this.
I have been judging and refereeing competitions for 15 years. I have
competed, judged, and refereed in TKD Point and USTU style competitions as
well as Open style competitions. I have seen less favoritism in Open style
competitions than in the straight TKD tournaments. I believe this is a
result of having judges from multiple styles. They have no idea what the
forms of other styles are suppose to look like. Therefore, they judge on
the performance of the individual, not if they turned the right direction,
skipped a movement, or yelled in the wrong place. The judge the individual
on technique, focus, power, timing, and flow. This is how judging is meant
to be accomplished. On many occasions, and I have done this myself,
competitors have thrown in a movement from a different form or left out a
movement, but continued performing without breaking their timing or focus
and made it appear the form was performed accurately. Many of those have
gone on to place in if not win the competition.
As a Black Belt and judge, you cannot score a person on YOUR interpretation
of the form. Every Instructor teaches their interpretation to their
students, resulting in variations of the techniques performed, timing, and
direction of movement. Who are we to say that instructor's or competitor's
interpretation is incorrect and deserves a lower score? The ART, the
ESSENCE of the form, is interpretation. (OK this was a long route to get to
the point ...sorry).
Train and educate Black Belts in judging competitions and what to look for
in performance as well as how to appropriately score. Unfortunately, and I
have witnessed this on numerous occasions, you will never overcome the
political prejudice of some judges who score their students higher simply
because it's their student. I have sat next to Masters that have blatantly
scored students from their Do Jang or organization higher when their
performance was visibly poorer than the other competitors.
Education and training is the answer...IMVHO...not ONE SET of patterns to be
performed identically no matter what. That, in itself, eliminates the ART
from the Martial Arts.
My Opinion!
The One and Only...
Tink
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From: Ken McDonough
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:56:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: the_dojang: The Darker Side of Korea...people in glass houses
Part II. Often I see a refusal to discuss the darker side of respective
cultures...and there are dark sides to cultures and individuals. If you
understand the yin and yang of these forces, then perhaps you understand
yourself a little better.
During the summer of 1995...I recall it was July 1995. Very hot and muggy.
In fact, sweltering. Pusan, South Korea. I returned from the Dojang at
Dong Dae Shin Dong. Took the subway back home.
I recall walking past an innocuous alley. In the corner of my eye I noted
a subtle but present "red" light. I walked past, paused, then stopped. This
is not Amsterdam I reflected. It is just a red light flickering amid other
early evening lights. Neon lights, restaurant lights, bath house lights,
businesses advertising themselves. This red light was different. A red
light outshining other lights. A pin point laser illuminating brightly
among other lights yet only a 100 watt bulb. I hesitated. Should I explore
?
My Kuk Sool uniform was neatly tucked beneath my arm. I then noticed
several luxurious cars and limousines lined up along the street leading to
the alley. Hmnnnn. I grew up in the denizens of New York City and had seen
the 42nd street pimps, hustlers, and prostitutes. This was more subtle.
I pondered my next move. I drew a few breaths and proceeded into the alley
following the red light. I noticed a young Korean female sitting next to
the light. I nodded. I then turned the corner. The reality became apparent.
Pusan, South Korea had the infamous glass houses. I walked down the street
where the Korean women were displayed in the glass houses. This was the
Korean version of Amsterdam. I walked down several blocks of glass houses
with women staring back at me. Glass storefronts with young Korean women
behind the glass walls. All available for the right Won.
I got the drift. I turned around and made my way back to my favorite bar.
Had hot noodles and a night cap.
Some things remain the same. Even when your thousands of miles from home.
McD...summer of 1995. Pusan, South Korea.
Editors Note: Mr. McDonough provides an account of an actual event in
Pusan, South Korea. He makes no political or cultural statements. He only
offers a snapshot of an event that occurred one evening in his life. Do not
flame him and do not read into the factual account. The story is offered
merely for information purposes.
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From: HwarangTSD@aol.com
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 05:05:27 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: fund raiser
monday of this week, two brothers who take my tang soo do class, lost
everything they own in a house fire. The house was a total loss. If any one
has any experience with fund raising, i'd really like the information.
Thanks in advance for any information anyone may have. Fundraising, is not
something i have much experience with.
Thanks again,
Master Frank Clay
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From: Tim Bruening
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:46:52 -0700
Subject: the_dojang: Attacked By A Black Belt And A Blue Belt
Q: What happens if you're attacked by a Black Belt and a Blue Belt?
A: You get beaten Black and Blue!
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 7:43:16 PDT
Subject: Re: the_dojang: Can lower Dan holders promote others to BB?
> I have been reading the titles and ranks but instead of getting into the
> same subject, I'd like to ask this other question that comes to mind. What
> degree of Black Belt must you be in order to promote others to black belt.
That varies by art and organization.
Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:05:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [none]
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