From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #293 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 29 April 2000 Vol 07 : Num 293 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: ki flow the_dojang: Re: forms competition the_dojang: Can lower Dan holders promote others to BB? the_dojang: Once Upon a Time in Korea... the_dojang: RE: Forms Competition the_dojang: The Darker Side of Korea...people in glass houses the_dojang: fund raiser the_dojang: Attacked By A Black Belt And A Blue Belt Re: the_dojang: Can lower Dan holders promote others to BB? [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 920 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Looking for enlightenment is like looking for a flashlight, when all you need the flashlight for is to find the flashlight. ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:45:07 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: forms competition In a message dated 4/28/00 7:21:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << What to do except have everyone do the same forms? Pretty dull world, that... >> absolutely, kerry :) melinda ChunjiDo -pe rsonal homepage http://hometown.aol.com/chunjido/homehtmlindex.html www.Chajonshim.com Martial Arts Supply now featuring a shopping cart for your convenience! :) Paidforsurf.com - - Main - get paid 75cents/hr to surf the net...i do! Looking for enlightenment is like looking for a flashlight, when all you need the flashlight for is to find the flashlight. ------------------------------ From: "aparedes" Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:01:01 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Can lower Dan holders promote others to BB? Hello All: I have been reading the titles and ranks but instead of getting into the same subject, I'd like to ask this other question that comes to mind. What degree of Black Belt must you be in order to promote others to black belt. I'm not talking about the 9th Dan Kwanjanim promoting... I'm talking about the lower Dan holders. For example: Can a 3rd Dan promote anyone under him to 1st Dan? or 2nd Dan? Can a 4th Dan promote to 3rd Dan? and so forth? This is probably more towards those of you who are on your own and have no 7,8,or 9th Dan to give his/her blessing. Thank you in advance for your input. Alex Paredes aparedes@gateway.net Changmookwan@email.com ICQ#17642186 Yahoo ID# black_belt_3 AOL messenger name: Changmookwan World Chang Moo Kwan www.geocities.com/colosseum/arena/8129 ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Once Upon a Time in Korea... Just got back from a cruise in the 57 Chevy. Talked with my main man Steve at the Stereo Shop. We are putting in some sounds to go along with the headers and glasspacks...cruisin' down the street...chillin'. Anyway, it is Friday evening. Sippin' on one of my favorite beverages after a 2 mile jog. Was thinking back to the mid 1990's. I was training under this man who was a student of GM In Sun Seo. This was in Pusan, South Korea. This guy was an ex-marine and former kickboxer out of the West Coast, apparently recruited by GM In Yuk Suh to the World Kuk Sool Won organization. So this guy took me under his wing and showed me around Pusan. He was fluent in the Korean language as his mother was Korean. His father was a GI. I liked my "temporary" instructor. He was a good guy to hang with. But, he had a violent and unpredictable side. Too much Soju and he would quickly pick fights with people. I was unaware of this trait until later in our relationship. My instructor would go down to T Street in Pusan and visit the bars. Years ago the bars were frequented and inhabited by American GI's. Now the bars were predominantly Russians. Mostly fisherman and sailor types. Not your average upper class Russian. My instructor would walk into a Russian bar (note: u can tell your in a Russian bar by the different smell than if in an Expat bar). So he would get loaded and then get into a cold war mentality. He thought he was back in Marine training. He would try his Kuk Sool techniques out on the Russians in the bar. He apparently would wipe out the bar and come home bloody. His wife would ask what did he do this time ? One time he was in a bar called the Legion. It was right across the street from the Camp Hialeah Army base. What a whacky place that was. One story I heard was that one night he is gettin' loaded on liquor. He falls off the chair and the Korean bouncers start laughing at him. He apparently took on all the bouncers and wiped them out. Thereafter, whenever he returned to the bar he was treated like royalty. Anyway, I heard he left Korea and now lives in California. If anyone knows where my former instructor is please let me know privately. He wasn't a bad guy. Just slightly misunderstood. I sorta liked his "go for it" approach to life. He was a colorful figure. A person permantly etched in my mind. I do not condone the above behavior. I am merely reflecting on a past event. An event I recall, among other events, as I check the cesspools of my mind ! What a great life so far... Well, back to my favorite beverage and my 57 Chevy. Just taking a pause for the cause. You can return to your favorite topic in the martial arts. Thanks for the reflection and the bandwidth. I'm out. See ya. Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "tink73" Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:56:50 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Forms Competition In reference to forms competition I am going to add my humble .004 cent worth (+/- .001 cent). I do not believe there needs to be one set of forms/patterns/Poomse/Tae Geuks/Palgwes/Hyungs/etc. for competition. IMVHO: what the world of competition needs is educated Black Belt Judges. Let me try to explain my position on this. I have been judging and refereeing competitions for 15 years. I have competed, judged, and refereed in TKD Point and USTU style competitions as well as Open style competitions. I have seen less favoritism in Open style competitions than in the straight TKD tournaments. I believe this is a result of having judges from multiple styles. They have no idea what the forms of other styles are suppose to look like. Therefore, they judge on the performance of the individual, not if they turned the right direction, skipped a movement, or yelled in the wrong place. The judge the individual on technique, focus, power, timing, and flow. This is how judging is meant to be accomplished. On many occasions, and I have done this myself, competitors have thrown in a movement from a different form or left out a movement, but continued performing without breaking their timing or focus and made it appear the form was performed accurately. Many of those have gone on to place in if not win the competition. As a Black Belt and judge, you cannot score a person on YOUR interpretation of the form. Every Instructor teaches their interpretation to their students, resulting in variations of the techniques performed, timing, and direction of movement. Who are we to say that instructor's or competitor's interpretation is incorrect and deserves a lower score? The ART, the ESSENCE of the form, is interpretation. (OK this was a long route to get to the point ...sorry). Train and educate Black Belts in judging competitions and what to look for in performance as well as how to appropriately score. Unfortunately, and I have witnessed this on numerous occasions, you will never overcome the political prejudice of some judges who score their students higher simply because it's their student. I have sat next to Masters that have blatantly scored students from their Do Jang or organization higher when their performance was visibly poorer than the other competitors. Education and training is the answer...IMVHO...not ONE SET of patterns to be performed identically no matter what. That, in itself, eliminates the ART from the Martial Arts. My Opinion! The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: The Darker Side of Korea...people in glass houses Part II. Often I see a refusal to discuss the darker side of respective cultures...and there are dark sides to cultures and individuals. If you understand the yin and yang of these forces, then perhaps you understand yourself a little better. During the summer of 1995...I recall it was July 1995. Very hot and muggy. In fact, sweltering. Pusan, South Korea. I returned from the Dojang at Dong Dae Shin Dong. Took the subway back home. I recall walking past an innocuous alley. In the corner of my eye I noted a subtle but present "red" light. I walked past, paused, then stopped. This is not Amsterdam I reflected. It is just a red light flickering amid other early evening lights. Neon lights, restaurant lights, bath house lights, businesses advertising themselves. This red light was different. A red light outshining other lights. A pin point laser illuminating brightly among other lights yet only a 100 watt bulb. I hesitated. Should I explore ? My Kuk Sool uniform was neatly tucked beneath my arm. I then noticed several luxurious cars and limousines lined up along the street leading to the alley. Hmnnnn. I grew up in the denizens of New York City and had seen the 42nd street pimps, hustlers, and prostitutes. This was more subtle. I pondered my next move. I drew a few breaths and proceeded into the alley following the red light. I noticed a young Korean female sitting next to the light. I nodded. I then turned the corner. The reality became apparent. Pusan, South Korea had the infamous glass houses. I walked down the street where the Korean women were displayed in the glass houses. This was the Korean version of Amsterdam. I walked down several blocks of glass houses with women staring back at me. Glass storefronts with young Korean women behind the glass walls. All available for the right Won. I got the drift. I turned around and made my way back to my favorite bar. Had hot noodles and a night cap. Some things remain the same. Even when your thousands of miles from home. McD...summer of 1995. Pusan, South Korea. Editors Note: Mr. McDonough provides an account of an actual event in Pusan, South Korea. He makes no political or cultural statements. He only offers a snapshot of an event that occurred one evening in his life. Do not flame him and do not read into the factual account. The story is offered merely for information purposes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: HwarangTSD@aol.com Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 05:05:27 EDT Subject: the_dojang: fund raiser monday of this week, two brothers who take my tang soo do class, lost everything they own in a house fire. The house was a total loss. If any one has any experience with fund raising, i'd really like the information. Thanks in advance for any information anyone may have. Fundraising, is not something i have much experience with. Thanks again, Master Frank Clay ------------------------------ From: Tim Bruening Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:46:52 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Attacked By A Black Belt And A Blue Belt Q: What happens if you're attacked by a Black Belt and a Blue Belt? A: You get beaten Black and Blue! ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 7:43:16 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Can lower Dan holders promote others to BB? > I have been reading the titles and ranks but instead of getting into the > same subject, I'd like to ask this other question that comes to mind. What > degree of Black Belt must you be in order to promote others to black belt. That varies by art and organization. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #293 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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