From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #307 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 3 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 307 In this issue: the_dojang: yes!!! cho dan!!!! the_dojang: Schwarzkopf the_dojang: Korean Temples the_dojang: Re: Respect Goes Both Ways the_dojang: Re: Uniforms the_dojang: Choi Hong Hi Cartoons! the_dojang: Re: Does changing a name change lineage? the_dojang: Kuk Sool and Kung Fu the_dojang: Belts [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 960 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kim Jones Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: yes!!! cho dan!!!! The results from the Easter Sunday Kukkiwon first degree black belt tests are in: I made it!!!!!!!! I'll be getting my belt in a couple weeks (before I turn the magic 18) and certificate within the next month or so. Whew! Just passing the news on. ===== ~~Kim Jones (*ladytimberland@yahoo.com*) http://kenochi_timberland.tripod.com/ ICQ: 52828008 AOL: Lady Timberland "The path of excess leads to the tower of wisdom." Enigma, "Gravity of Love" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:19:55 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Schwarzkopf << General would be Norman Swartzkopf (sp?) who retired with 3 stars, I believe. >> General Norman Schwarzkopf retired with 4 stars, which is the rank of General. It is true that all General ranks, 1 star and up, are called general. Want help to remember which star is what? Remember the saying, Be My Little General. Brigadier General one star, Major General two stars, Lt. General three and General four. Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:26:51 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Korean Temples << PS: I've got a picture of hapkido practice at a temple that I'd like to identify. It could be Pulguksa or another temple near Pusan (or Taegu for that matter). Anybody know any books with those temples in them? I've got _Korea the Beautiful_ but can't make a positive identification from there. >> Dakin, I have a book on Kyongju that has some decent photos of Pulguksa temple, and I have a book on Korean Buddhism that has pictures of quite a few different temples around Korea. If you can send the pictures as jpegs, I may be able to identify the location for you. I'll give it a try anyway. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@denver.carl.org Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 08:24:30 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Respect Goes Both Ways >From: LenGWhite@cs.com > >Our 4th dan Master instructor is recognized as a master of technique, and is >one of th few respected schools in our area, but recently, don't know why, he >has gotten into several seemingly bad habits. Making promises to the kids - >not kept. Leaving class or simply not turning up (one case recently where he >left a 17 yr old 1st dan in charge of a class traiing for Nationals - >including a very volatile young, probably bipolar kid). >In the vein of maintaing respect for his skills, and station, it seems that >we cannot approach him to let him know the risks of what he sis doing, or >that his actions are noiced andresented in HIS school. >Any suggestions as to how students can handle this situation without simply >pulling up roots, or being disrespectful. IMHO, if you do not try to communicate issues to someone whom you value, then you are not showing them respect. Why can't you approach him? Is it something that just isn't done at the school? Does he not listen to his students? Considering that you're considering leaving the school, you have nothing to lose by trying to talk to him, IMO. As there appear to be issues of respect, I would recommend telling the instructor that you want to talk to him, and ask him to set aside some time and space so that you can talk to him in private (i.e., make an appointment). I strongly recommend writing down a short list of *your* issues. When communicating issues state the event that you have an issue with, how it's affecting you, and what you want. Try not to judge. For example, you could say, "Lately you've been leaving class early, or have not shown up for class. I'm feeling neglected. I would like you to commit to teaching us. If that's not possible, I would like to know why you are leaving class early or not showing up." If you don't talk to your instructor he won't know how you feel, and he won't have a chance to change, or explain, his behavior. And you won't have a chance to make an informed decision. And finally, try not to place your instructor on a pedestal. Because he is human, and he's going to make human mistakes. To Life, - -David Buehrer 6th Gup, Hapkido http://www.users.uswest.net/~abaker3 - -- "What you are doing at the moment must be exactly what you are doing at the moment--and nothing else." ------------------------------ From: jsegovia@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 10:51:12 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Uniforms Kim wrote: > Not to demean anyone, but I think uniforms with lots of > unnecessary patches on it are GAUDY. A plain uniform will take > you anywhere Very nice point, and well said! Jesse ------------------------------ From: Anders Torvill Bjorvand Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:58:28 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Choi Hong Hi Cartoons! Last year I attended an international computer science conference in Denver, CO. I spoke a great deal with a South Korean guy who was doing his PhD in the USA. He was in his early 30s. He had practiced TKD (Kukkiwon-style naturally) like all South-Korean boys - - almost. A funny observation/statement: He claimed that in the early seventies, there existed a popular cartoon series - I think it was in newspapers - where Choi Hong Hi was the hero. Sincerely, Anders Torvill Bjorvand ------------------------------ From: Anders Torvill Bjorvand Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 17:21:14 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Does changing a name change lineage? >Somebody: 4. ITF techniques are practiced and performed using the sine-wave. > >Ray Terry: However there are a great many ITF instructors that don't like >or use the >Sine Wave. Seems to mostly be those that have been in the ITF for a very long >time. This appears to be at least one area in which there is some degree >of freedom within the ITF. As far as I know, you are wrong, Ray. I believe that Sine Wave was developed some time in the mid-seventies and was standardized upon in 1983. I have never heard of anyone nowadays that don't practice sine wave and that still belong to the ITF. The ITF'ers that went WTF or independent in the 70s or early 80s do not practice sine wave - as far as I know. This includes people like Hee Il Cho, Jhoon Rhee, etc. GTF (Park Jung Tae) split up later and do practice sine wave. I have however experienced that there is some differences between countries when it comes to level of contact in sparring and hoshinsul. But: not patterns, basic techniques or pre-arranged sparring. Sincerely, Anders Torvill Bjorvand ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:09:08 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Kuk Sool and Kung Fu >>But do we know who GM Suh's Kung Fu instructor was? >Not for sure Ray, but we do know that Poom-Chang Lim (1910-1982) >taught Praying Mantis in Soul while Kyung-Ban Kang (1912-) taught >it in Pusan, so Kang is a likely candidate. Sorim k'ung hu (Shaolin >gong-fu) was taught in Soul, as well as P'algwae (Bagua). Those >seem to have been the only three k'ung hu systems in Korea in >abundance in the 1950s and 1960s. I first heard about this Kung Fu connection several years ago, before I had even seen Kuk Sool techniques performed. Then I saw the book on Korean weapons that Suh, In Hyuk and Jane Hollander wrote. One of the weapons that is demonstrated is a big pitch-fork. This is essentially a tiger fork which is a (not too common) weapon in some Kung Fu styles. I thought to myself "Well, that's something you don't see everyday." Other weapon similarities: twin swords, spears, twin short swords, etc. From what I have read there is an acknowledgement on the part of Kuk Sool people that Chinese arts had a lot of influence on their art. This seems to go down easier than pointing to a Japanese influence on (say) Taekwon-Do or Tang Soo Do for some people (and understandably so for the Koreans). Then one of my Kung Fu buddies told me about a tournament he went to where there was a small contingent of Kuk Sool students. He said the movement were "very Chinese." From the rest of the conversation it seemed like that meant "very Praying Mantis." I saw a Kuk Sool form performed a couple years later at another tournament. He was right, there does seem to be a bit of similarity between the arts. Both Praying Mantis and Kuk Sool have a lot of grabbing and pressure point manipulation, sweeps, and even throws. Those kicks are something else, though. Very DIFFERENT from the Chinese stuff I have seen. Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." 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Sincerely, Master Clay ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 11:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #307 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.