From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #309 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 3 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 309 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #306 the_dojang: UNiforms the_dojang: Re: offensive/defensive [none] the_dojang: re: midnight blue the_dojang: Re: easter at the kkw the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #304 the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #306 the_dojang: Re: "sadoequinecrophilia"...btw, i love that one, whoever first said it. the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #306 the_dojang: Families the_dojang: Korean tribal arts [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 960 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Sears Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 17:48:51 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #306 > > > From: LenGWhite@cs.com > Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:22:15 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: Respect Goes Both Ways > > Our 4th dan Master instructor is recognized as a master of technique, and is > one of th few respected schools in our area, but recently, don't know why, he > has gotten into several seemingly bad habits. ...snip... > > Any suggestions as to how students can handle this situation without simply > pulling up roots, or being disrespectful. Talk to him. He's not God. He should be concerned enough about his school to appreciate the feedback. If he's not, look around and move. It's not disrespectful to request a closed-door meeting and present your concerns to him - quite the opposite, I would think. ------------------------------ From: "Moja Kwan - C. Richards" Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 21:14:05 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: UNiforms <<2 wtf instructors, wearing v-neck uniforms with all sorts of insignia, patches, rank/club/judging certification emblems on the front, back, sleeves, collars, belts, and running down the sides of the pants, called the plain, black pants, red cross-top, basic Century issue uniform I was wearing...NOT TRADITIONAL. I know the basic dobok has usually been plain white, but I am curious what kinds of uniforms members on this list wear, colors of them, student vs. BB or Instrucor unif., and perhaps a history of the development of the uniform, whether historically significant or just a dojang trait.>> Moja Kwan TSD All Ranks White top and Black pants (Um/yang) Dan members use Mu Duk Kwan Trimmed Top All Dan members are by definition assistant or class instructors (IMVHO) Therefore we don't do patches, certificates, etc., for *instructor certification* We also don't do Team uniforms, lightning bolts, red/white/blue flag tops, etc. Of course, I'm not trying to pay rent on a commercial front, and don't expect to make a decent living from retailing sportswear, but if you can..... Many commercial schools use the *phase* system Beginer = white student uniform Int. = Red middle weight uniform Advanced = Blue heavy weight uniform Dans = Black uniforms and/or color combinations We are even considering a clean (no patches) look. Historically I beleive White uniforms with midnight blue MDK trim would be *traditional* (circa 1945/47) TSD/SBD. Jump in here Master Mac or Master Clay Yours in training, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 21:00:50 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: offensive/defensive In a message dated 5/3/00 3:45:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Thanks, Melinda, I'll try to remember your advice. BTW, I find your repeated posts tagged with links to your business to be a bit offensive as this is not a commercial site, but a forum to share ideas upon. Why not stop all the advertising, and just write when you have something to share? As it is now, one must speculate if you are posting just to put your ads before the readers eyes. Sincerely, SESilz >> you may certainly speculate. however, i've been a regular poster to this and other lists for, i believe, a year and a half. consistently. if it bugs you, i'm sure there are filter options available either through the list or through your server, or through your email progy. additionally, i've found "garbageman", a filtering program, useful in filtering out unwanted emails. try garbageman.com....great for aol users. and, i'm sure much to your surprise, i'm not affiliated with them, nor do i get a kickback. i'm only subscribed to this and other lists as "chunjido@aol.com", so you could just put that in your filter and i'm fairly positive it would delete me out. i dont know if this is accurate, someone can tell me, i'm sure. the last time i discussed my business on this list was an announcement of the grand opening on march 1st. i dont remember. and btw, i believe i announce my shameless plugs with a subject heading of "shameless plug" or "shameless self promotion"....so you could stick that in your filter too :) melinda ChunjiDo -pe rsonal homepage http://hometown.aol.com/chunjido/homehtmlindex.html www.Chajonshim.com Martial Arts Supply now featuring a shopping cart for your convenience! :) Paidforsurf.com - - Main - get paid 75cents/hr to surf the net...i do! Looking for enlightenment is like looking for a flashlight, when all you need the flashlight for is to find the flashlight. ------------------------------ From: "Moja Kwan - C. Richards" Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:38:45 -0400 Subject: [none] <> Hi, Master Mac, good to see you posting on the list! My wife went to see her family out of town and subsequently missed two weeks. I had to drag her kicking and screaming to a *fun and light* class, which she thanked me for, then worked out twice the following week and wanted to start *getting ready for her 9th gup test* {shrug} It is a delicate balancing act to say the least. I try to remind myself of the sahbum/sahboo nim translations and shoot for loving teacher. When my wife wants to train I drop what I'm doing and share quality time with her. When I'm in the mood, I put on my dobohk and train. Sometimes she wants me to wait for her and sometimes she just respects my passion for the arts {shrug}. Timing will get real interesting when I have a dojang with a regular schedule, neh? Best Wishes to all who keep Sado Mu Sul alive! Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD ------------------------------ From: HwarangTSD@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:53:42 EDT Subject: the_dojang: re: midnight blue As far as all information that I have been ablt to obtain indicates Midnight blue has always been the color in use. This was confirmed by a member of the US Soo Bahk Do org. The KTMS uses mostly black belt, but we do have members who use Midnight blue. (KTMS is Korea Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan). ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:21:58 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: easter at the kkw In a message dated 5/3/00 12:01:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: Kim Jones Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: yes!!! cho dan!!!! The results from the Easter Sunday Kukkiwon first degree black belt tests are in: I made it!!!!!!!! I'll be getting my belt in a couple weeks (before I turn the magic 18) and certificate within the next month or so. Whew! Just passing the news on. >> congratulations, kim! mustve been exciting (and nervewracking) to actually test at the kkw. melinda ChunjiDo -pe rsonal homepage http://hometown.aol.com/chunjido/homehtmlindex.html www.Chajonshim.com Martial Arts Supply now featuring a shopping cart for your convenience! :) Paidforsurf.com - - Main - get paid 75cents/hr to surf the net...i do! Looking for enlightenment is like looking for a flashlight, when all you need the flashlight for is to find the flashlight. ------------------------------ From: "Joseph F. Connolly, II" Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 20:26:58 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #304 >In a message dated 5/2/00 3:29:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > >> From: "Farral, Kim G" >> Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:35:44 -0500 >> Subject: the_dojang: Military Rank Protocol >> >> "Mr. Connelly... >> >> I am not sure how recent your information is on ranks in the >> military and I agree with what you have stated, some clarification needs to >> be added to your statements...If you read my post towards the bottom of >> Digest #297 you will find that a one star is a General Brigadier General, >> but General all the same... > > Now I'm really confused. So, was Mr. Hong Hi Choi actually a General in >the ROK Army, or not? > And, if he was indeed a General, does he, or does he not loose that title >upon his exile from the ROK? >SESilz No, he was not. He was, and is, "Maj. Gen. Hong Hi Choi, ROKA (Retired)." Unless the title is stripped from an individual by court-martial or by civilian court of competent jurisdiction for such purpose, the individual retains the right to use his or her military title, even in exile. Once the title is earned, it may be used even if the country awarding the title ceases to exist. Choi, Hong Hi is in self-described "exile". His actual status is apparently open to question. ------------------------------ From: "Joseph F. Connolly, II" Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 20:27:49 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #306 >From: Robert Martin >Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:07:37 -0600 >Subject: the_dojang: RE: Gen. Choi, Taekwondo vs. Taekwon-Do, ITF leadership, etc. > >To the list: > >I guess I just can't help myself. I feel compelled to respond. > >1. Use of titles: > Common usage, at least in English, allows for the use of the word >"General" to refer to anyone who has earned a single star in military >service. I believe other military system from around the world are somewhat >different. The Random House Dictionary states "an officer of any of the five >highest ranks: a brigadier general, major general, lieutenant general, >general, or general of the army". The most recent addition to the list of >"famous" persons who are referred to as General would be Norman Swartzkopf >(sp?) who retired with 3 stars, I believe. The Random House Dictionary provides a definition for the word. It does not address the issue of their title. Further, my purpose in writing was not to address what is common, but rather to address what is proper. You are eminently correct that General Norman Schwartzkopf is referred to as "General". He did not wear three stars, he was the Commander of a Unified Command, he wore four. He is called "General" because he is a "General", not a Lieutenant General (three stars) as you suggest, and not two stars such as Major General Choi. ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:44:17 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: "sadoequinecrophilia"...btw, i love that one, whoever first said it. In a message dated 5/3/00 3:45:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << "Irregardless: Non-Standard. Regardless. Usage Note: The label Non-Standard does only approximate justice to the status of irregardless. More precisely, it is a from that many people mistakenly believe to be a correct usage..." >> lol. alot can be said between ellipses, master silz. for the sake of the list i digress. melinda ChunjiDo -pe rsonal homepage http://hometown.aol.com/chunjido/homehtmlindex.html www.Chajonshim.com Martial Arts Supply now featuring a shopping cart for your convenience! :) Paidforsurf.com - - Main - get paid 75cents/hr to surf the net...i do! Looking for enlightenment is like looking for a flashlight, when all you need the flashlight for is to find the flashlight. ------------------------------ From: ICyrus8528@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:55:37 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #306 Master Clay: I had an opportunty to train and earn a 1st Dan in Kuk Sool Won. My teacher was Senior Master Jung Won Byun (one of the first individuals to achieve 8th Dan in Kuk Sool Won). My understanding is that Kuk Sool is not a style of Martial Art but an organization of Korea's traditional Martial Art skills. These skills are organized into three main categories: Sado Mu Sool (Tribal Martial Arts), Kung Jung Mu Sool (Royal Court Martial Arts), and Bulkyo Mu Sool (Buddhist Martial Arts). I hope that this helps. Ian A. Cyrus ------------------------------ From: "Moja Kwan - C. Richards" Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 21:29:00 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Families <> As ever, Bravo GM West! Maybe by the time my 5 month old son is ready to train I'll have an E dan developed, and thus.... <> Neh, Master Mac, I know what you mean. My wife missed two weeks, and then wanted to start getting ready for her first *test*. Even asked me when we would start sparring {shrug}. She is a great partner and excellent student. (It works for us). My first TSD instructor is now a Master, and his entire family (wife and 3 boys) are active blackbelts. I can remember his business partner telling him his middle son was not ready at a CHo Dan pre-test. The same young man is now E Dan and tested to E Dan before is older brother {shrug} It took their youngest son the longest amount of time, but he is now yudanja also. Danny Dunn and I had a wonderful conversation at a tournament when my wife was still pregnant with my son. All I can say is THANK YOU for your insights! It is a delicate balance. I think of the Sah Bum Nim and Sah Boo Nim translations and shoot for loving teacher. Best wishes to all who keep Sado Mu Sul alive, Charles Richards Moja Kwan, TSD ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 18:50:35 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Korean tribal arts > These skills are organized into three main categories: Sado Mu Sool (Tribal > Martial Arts), Kung Jung Mu Sool (Royal Court Martial Arts), and Bulkyo Mu > Sool (Buddhist Martial Arts). I hope that this helps. That is the party line... But what are they? e.g. Korean Tribal Arts. What historical evidence do we have of any Korean tribal arts? What were they? What were they like? If there were any, they have been completely and totally lost to time. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #309 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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