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The_Dojang-Digest             Sat, 6 May 2000          Vol 07 : Num 318

In this issue:

       the_dojang: Doce Pares Seminar
       Re: the_dojang: Doce Pares Seminar
       the_dojang: Re: mr. 57 chevy
       the_dojang: Re: ballwin, mo
       the_dojang: Kangi/Hanja
       the_dojang: History
       the_dojang: Joy
       the_dojang: Traditional Korean Martial Arts in JAMA
       [none]
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From: "Silke Schulz" <kicks@ccis.com>
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 08:05:42 -0700
Subject: the_dojang: Doce Pares Seminar

I copied the information and created aflier for my school in case any of my
students want to go. Now I'm looking at it and realize that I don't have a
phone number or address. I can't recall if your post included one, but if it
did, I've unfortunately already deleted it.

Does anyone have the address or phone number for information on the seminar
in Van Nuys?

Thanks,

Silke


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From: Ray Terry <raymail>
Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 8:47:15 PDT
Subject: Re: the_dojang: Doce Pares Seminar

> I copied the information and created aflier for my school in case any of my
> students want to go. Now I'm looking at it and realize that I don't have a
> phone number or address. I can't recall if your post included one, but if it
> did, I've unfortunately already deleted it.
> 
> Does anyone have the address or phone number for information on the seminar
> in Van Nuys?
 
May 13
House of Champions
17631 Vanowen St.
Van Nuys, Calif
818-996-7180

If you go, please say hello to GM 'Cacoy' for me.  He is a great guy with
a great past (and future).  

Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com

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From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 11:45:24 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: mr. 57 chevy

In a message dated 5/5/00 7:07:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:

<< Comment: I was gonna stay outta this one. However, a different perspective.
 Melinda is an honorable and trustworthy individual. She offers a few
 services that martial artists on this list may want to partake in. If I can
 obtain a few martial arts supplies at a better price from a list member,
 then I believe we should support that person. I also admire the business
 acumen Melinda has exhibited. So perhaps view it in a positive manner.
 Especially as you order Century products from the Century catalog at high
 prices. Figure it out.
 
 Ken McD... >>

thanks for that, ken. 
melinda

Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply
http://www.chajonshim.com

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From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 12:00:01 EDT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: ballwin, mo

does anyone know of a good martial arts school in ballwin missouri?  a friend 
is looking for one for his son.

melinda

Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply
http://www.chajonshim.com

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From: "Moja Kwan - C. Richards" <mojakwan@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 12:16:34 -0400
Subject: the_dojang: Kangi/Hanja

Dr. Dakin Burdick
burdickd@indiana.edu wrote-------
<<Secondly, someone mentioned that "qinna" or "chinna", the Chinese
skill of jointlocking, is spelled "yusul" (yoo sool) in Korean.
That's not so.  I checked Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming's translation of
qinna and it is "grab control."  Looking up the Japanese version
yields something closer to "captive capture" or more loosely,
"prisoner holding techniques."  In Korean, the "qin" seems to be
the same as "p'olo" while the "na" is made up of the radicals for
"hap" and "sul" making this p'olohapsul, unless I've missed a
direct Korean translation for "na," which is certainly possible.
Has anyone else looked this stuff up?>>

That would be me.  Thank you for the refinement of semantics and Korean.  My
sister is a linguist by profession and cuts me little slack in that area.
For over a decade I was a member of an Association, and our embroidered
belts said hup hwe, so I would say you are correct.  I've never seen
Federation writen in Hangul or Han Ja so I would have to defer to your post
(and thank you very much!).

I was quoting a source that said the Kangi/Han ja for Chin Na and Yu Sool
were Homonims(sp?) like Aikido and Hapkido (Apparently the same in Kangi and
Han Ja).  If I am incorrect, then the purpose of the list is for me to learn
more :-)

Yours in the arts,

Charles Richards
Moja Kwan TSD





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From: "Moja Kwan - C. Richards" <mojakwan@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 12:31:00 -0400
Subject: the_dojang: History

Dear Jeremy,
Read your history of Kumdo (which I know nothing about) and your history of
Chung Do Kwan and Soo Bahk Do.  Both of which confirmed somethings I have,
and were presented well.  Maybe I'll unveil my "Evolution of TSD" page to
the list when I get to final draft.

Thanks for sharing information.

Yours in training,

Charles Richards
Moja Kwan TSD




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From: "Moja Kwan - C. Richards" <mojakwan@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 12:07:00 -0400
Subject: the_dojang: Joy

- - ---kadin wrote---
<<I tell ya what... everything that i have wanted to do forever i am not
taking some action and i am very happy :)  I am taking guitar lessons
tomarrow and im going to start taking tae kwon do either monday or next
friday.  Just thought someone might wanna know  :)>>

Thank you for sharing your joy.  Welcome to the addictive world of martial
arts and the dojang digest.  My other *habit* is the guitar.  After five
years of abstinence I bought a Strat Copy on eBay after Christmas!  May you
enjoy both art forms as much as I do.

Yours in training,

Charles
Moja Kwan TSD






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From: Ray Terry <rterry@idiom.com>
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 10:28:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: the_dojang: Traditional Korean Martial Arts in JAMA

FYI,
In the recent issue of the Journal of Asian Martial Arts (vol 9 num 1)
there is an academic article by Stanley E. Henning, Traditional Korean Martial
Arts.

It is short, but interesting and with a useful list of references.  The
magazine's publisher, Via Media Publishing, is at http://www.goviamedia.com.
$10 per single issue.

Some snips of possible interest...

"Although the references to traditional Korean martial arts are scattered
and there are large gaps in information for some periods, one can see from
the foregoing that it is still possible to piece together a broad outline 
which generally reflects Chinese influence.  The Koreans appear to have
modeled their military martial arts system on that prevailing as early as
the Chinese Han period (206-220) and to have retained the term subak, 
originally associated with that period, through the fifteenth century, long
after the Chinese terminology had changed.  However, the term for wrestling
changed from kakjo to kakryuk (Chinese, jueli; colloquial Korean, sirrum)
during the Yi period (1392-1910)(Gwahakwon, 1961: 358; Yijo, 1953: juan 4,50).

"The historical evidence allows us to believe that traditional martial arts
were part of Korean military training, and were practiced by individuals
in the countryside, as late as the nineteenth century (for comparison, some
traditional practices continued in the Chinese military until 1902).  However,
they appear to have been almost totally abandoned by the beginning of the
twentieth century.

"The evidence does not allow us to say, as some claim, that the traditional
military skill, subak, was directly related to taekwondo or that "taekwondo
is a martial art independently developed over twenty centuries ago in Korea."
However, we can say that a couple of forms called subak were practiced there
over the centuries and that takkyon may have represented techniques 
associated with subak or kwonbop.  Even modern taekkyon proponents refer
to refer to Chinese General Qi Jiguang's forms in the Muye Dobo Tongji in
tracing their skills -- this only tends to support the argument for 
Chinese influence (Yi, 1990).  In any case, takkyon does provide a slender
thread tying in "traditional" skills with the emphasis on kicks in taekwondo.
Taekwondo, for the most part, though, appears to be a post-Korean War product,
developed primarily from what the Koreans called tangsudo (karate) introduced
during the period of Japanese rule.

"The traditional Korean martial arts are but a vague memory and taekwondo
a symbol born in the cradle of modern Korean nationalism, a fact which should
be kept in mind as we approach the 2000 Olympics in Sydney, in which
taekwondo will be a featured sport.

And from a footnote:
"According to Mao Yuanyi, the Koreans also faithfully maintained traditional
Chinese double-edged straight sword skills which had gone into disuse in
China.  In his Encyclopedia of Military Preparedness (Wubei Zhi, 1621),
Mao claims "...those who are interested can find it in Korea, where the 
forms and techniques are fully intact.  Indeed, we know it is lost in China
and must be sought among the...surrounding peoples..."  However, Yi
pointedly questions Mao's claim, noting that, in any case, there was no
evidence of this over one hundred years later.


IMHO, this issue is a worthy addition to your library.

Ray

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From: Ray Terry <rterry@idiom.com>
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 10:32:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [none]


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