From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #319 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 7 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 319 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: JAMA article the_dojang: an odd series of questions, perhaps the_dojang: Re: Kangi/Hanja for Chinna & Yusul the_dojang: 4th Grade Decided Purple Belt! the_dojang: Re: Wall of Fame the_dojang: Gun Article [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 960 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 18:16:23 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: JAMA article In a message dated 5/6/00 1:48:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << FYI, In the recent issue of the Journal of Asian Martial Arts (vol 9 num 1) there is an academic article by Stanley E. Henning, Traditional Korean Martial Arts. >> Thats great, I look forward to getting the issue. I love this Journal, but I have felt that it rarley contains articles on Korean martial arts. Jose' ------------------------------ From: Ann-Marie White Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 19:27:57 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: an odd series of questions, perhaps Hi everyone: I think I'm going through an odd crisis of conscience. I'm doing TKD and tho' I'm still a beginner (green stripe) I train rather seriously. I attend as many evening classes as I can and I attend morning classes as well. In addition, I have quite a few friends who are martial artists and I play/practice with them. This might seem as if I'm completely commited to TKD; however, I'm an intense person and I have a tendency to be rather serious in all things I do (otherwise why do it I figure). My concerns began a few weeks ago when one of my friends suggested that I consider actually training at his school on occassion. Then, last week another friend of mine who goes to another school suggested the I do the same thing at her school. My school places a heavy emphasis on the poomse and on techinque. While we spar, it is not the overarching main focus. While the training I receive is very good (and I enjoy it), it is not as intense as what I would get at either other school. My friends, who are both instructors at their respective schools, are not suggesting that I train with them because I'm a phenomonal student, I'm not, I'm just serious. I'm flattered that these particular friends of mine, whom I admire most in the martial arts, think I have the commitment to train seriously with them. However, my commitment comes primarily from how I view life and the things I do in it not TKD specifically (they know this). Today we chatted again about training together. It suddenly dawned on me that if I seriously trained with them it would probably mean me eventually leaving my school and joing one of theirs. My problem with all of this comes not from leaving one dojo to join another. When opportunities like this happen in other areas of my life I leap at the chance to learn at a level that's one notch higher. But here it's different, things aren't as clear-cut. It's not just forms or sparring, more precision or less, super intense workouts or less intense ones. I think I'm trying to access my commitment to the art and what TKD means to me (and I must admit I'm a little miffed at having to seriously think about this so early in my training). That's why I can't simply say, "Ooh that's more intense, I'll go there" It's not just "intensity" that matters and I'm struggling to name the other things that do. I'd rather not start a discussion of whether or not it is right or wrong for my friends to extend offers to me to train with them. I don't think they are trying to "steal" me away from my school or undermine my instructors. They are not the head instructor at their schools, they are just one of many. They also have never said anything harsh about my school or my training. I think they honestly do care about my progress and me. The issue I want, and need, to deal with is: what do I do now. So I'd like to know, when did TKD, or the MA that you practice, become truly meaningful to you? How did you know that you had switched from simply doing your art to really studying and practicing it? Did that moment happen early on, or did it creep up on you over time? What does your art mean to you now? What did it mean when you realized it was more than just sparring or forms? Thanks in advance, Ann-Marie - ------- There is nothing so lovely as a rainy day, a good book, and a cup of hot tea on the side. ------------------------------ From: WEE Shin Hoe Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 12:34:51 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Kangi/Hanja for Chinna & Yusul Dear Charles, I do not know whether "chinna" & "Yusul" refer to the same thing in Korean. But the Kanji/Hanja characters for these two is definitely not the same. "Chinna" means "Catch (Chin)" and "Grab (Na)" where as "Yusul" means "Soft (Yu)" and "Sul (Technique}". Regards, WEE Shin Hoe Malaysia shinhoe@pc.jaring.my the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > > The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 6 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 318 > > From: "Moja Kwan - C. Richards" > Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 12:16:34 -0400 > Subject: the_dojang: Kangi/Hanja > > Dr. Dakin Burdick > burdickd@indiana.edu wrote------- > < skill of jointlocking, is spelled "yusul" (yoo sool) in Korean. > That's not so. I checked Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming's translation of > qinna and it is "grab control." Looking up the Japanese version > yields something closer to "captive capture" or more loosely, > "prisoner holding techniques." In Korean, the "qin" seems to be > the same as "p'olo" while the "na" is made up of the radicals for > "hap" and "sul" making this p'olohapsul, unless I've missed a > direct Korean translation for "na," which is certainly possible. > Has anyone else looked this stuff up?>> > > That would be me. Thank you for the refinement of semantics and Korean. My > sister is a linguist by profession and cuts me little slack in that area. > For over a decade I was a member of an Association, and our embroidered > belts said hup hwe, so I would say you are correct. I've never seen > Federation writen in Hangul or Han Ja so I would have to defer to your post > (and thank you very much!). > > I was quoting a source that said the Kangi/Han ja for Chin Na and Yu Sool > were Homonims(sp?) like Aikido and Hapkido (Apparently the same in Kangi and > Han Ja). If I am incorrect, then the purpose of the list is for me to learn > more :-) > > Yours in the arts, > > Charles Richards > Moja Kwan TSD > ------------------------------ From: Tim Bruening Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 22:17:31 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: 4th Grade Decided Purple Belt! Yesterday, I received my 4th Grade Decided Purple Belt. How was your Cinco De Mayo? ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 05:14:53 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Wall of Fame In a message dated 5/6/00 7:28:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << On to honoring Yudanja. I personally like the wall of fame (8x10 photos with name plaque) anywhere but the *front* (flag bearing) wall of the dojang which is *traditionally* reserved for pictures of kwan jang nim and sahbumnim (4th Dan and above). >> I like this idea too ... I have seen just the face shots in one school ... and in another a full figure shot of them. I think I like the full figure shot and then mount it on a plaque engraved with their name and the date they earned the belt. Thanks for the encouragement ... :-) I wish you all the best in your endeavor of having a great, outstanding school. I know you will succeed ... you have some great ideas. Follow your dream. Illona ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 10:48:44 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Gun Article I don't want to start a gun thread, but for those of you that do practice with firearms, or carry them for self-defense, there's a very interesting article entitled "Loaded Coverage" in this month's Reason magazine online. The address is www.reasonmag.com. Alain http://members.aol.com/aburrese/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 08:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #319 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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