From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #328 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 11 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 328 In this issue: the_dojang: Sin Moo Hapkido the_dojang: 9th Degree - Sin Moo Hapkido the_dojang: Re: warmups the_dojang: Re: KUK SOOL ORGANIZATION the_dojang: re: warmups the_dojang: Han Mu Do Seminar the_dojang: Sin Moo the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #327 the_dojang: Re: Sin Moo the_dojang: Re: warm ups the_dojang: RE: Force Meters [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 950 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RDNHJMS@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 20:43:14 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Sin Moo Hapkido Todd asked: << Who in Sin Moo has been promoted to 9th dan and who will be named successor to Ji? Maybe no one knows this info. >> The only person that I know of that GM Ji has awarded a 9th Dan to is GM Bong Soo Han. There may be more. To tell you the truth, I have never asked him for a break down of his highest ranking students. I have seen his Dan certificate logs, which go back to I think 1959 or 1960. Once again, I didn't study it closely, as it was just in passing. I'm sure someone knows this info, probably Master Yung T. Freda. He has spent the most time training directly with GM Ji. Or GM He-Young Kimm, the leading scholar on Korean Martial Arts. Your last post simply slipped by. I don't get a chance to read all the editions of the digest, and generally just quickly check the article titles. V/R, Rick Nabors ------------------------------ From: "G. Booth" Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:04:51 +1000 Subject: the_dojang: 9th Degree - Sin Moo Hapkido GM Ji has a complete record of every person he has ever promoted from the beginning and in each book he keeps a photo as well as personal details on each individual. As far as 9th degree's go that are at least 13-14, if you read Dr He Young Kimm's Hapkido II he has a picture of his 9th Degree certificate number 11, and this was in 1988. Bong Soo Han & Kwang Sik Myung are some of the 9th's promoted under GM Ji. As far as discussing a successor, I think that GM Ji has yet to feel the need to do so, however his longest running Sin Moo student is Master Yung T. Freda who was a 8th Degree when GM Ji visited Australia in March 1999. I hope this sheds some light on the subject. Regards Geoff J. Booth International Hapkido Alliance Australia Hapkido Group http://hapkido.netro.com.au "The art is in the person, all we have to do is bring it out" ------------------------------ From: sarah@home-school.com (Sarah Pride) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 20:50:47 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: warmups Hey! Warmups - my favorite subject. :) I'm kind of fond of them myself, since I am one of those young and fairly limber people you mentioned (16 years old, but darn, no splits yet). Too bad I am still only a 7th gup and therefore haven't had a chance to lead yet. ;) In our class, everyone blue belt or over (4th gup), takes turns leading warmups. I will give you today's warmup for a fair example: First we did 50 jumping jacks and some running in place - getting the knees up high in front and then putting our hands under our rear ends and kicking our heels into our palms. Then, extensive stretching - no explanation needed. Next, we did situps or crunches - whichever we were able (situps here) for one minute as fast as we could. Then we quickly flopped over and did 25 pushups. Sometimes we, or rather everyone else, do clapping pushups or pushups off our knuckles. Or bounce-back pushups. It's all I can do to do them all off my feet though. Anyway, once we finished our pushups we flopped over onto our backs again, stuck our hands under our rear ends palm-down to support our lower backs and did 50 "scissors." (Raise your feet about a foot off the floor and swing them back and forth, alternating one below and one above.) When we were done with all our exercises on the ground, we stood up, went to kicking position, and did ten leg lifts, ten straight kicks and five roundhouses with each leg. This kicking part is also very flexible depending on who's leading warmups. We've been known to do side kicks, crescent kicks and scissor kicks during this part. So that's what we do in our class. Most likely it is pretty much like what a lot of you do for warmups in yours. ;) - -Sarah Pride- Who is about to compete in her first tourney on the 20th. :) ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:27:03 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: KUK SOOL ORGANIZATION In a message dated 5/10/00 10:37:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << which the Kuk Sool Won curriculum is organized. >> <> What did you mean by this? How are they organized? Jack ------------------------------ From: Nick McKenna Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 08:37:05 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: re: warmups Dear Leslie (and all) I study Tang Soo Do under Master Tony Johnson in Coventry, UK. We are all responsible for warming up before class in our school. We must arrive 15 minutes before class for this very reason. When new people come to the class who don't know how to warm up, the senior members of the class will show them how to warm up. At 50% of the classes, one of the senior members will lead the others through a rigorous warmup at the start of the class. My advice is: tell your instructor how you feel about the warmup and try to get to class earlier so you can do your own warmup! Maybe one of the senior members will organise a pre-class warmup for those who are interested? Best of luck, Nick. - ---------------------------------------------- Nick McKenna 5th Gup Tang Soo Do Porta Systems Ltd Nick_McKenna@PortaSystemsDev.com ------------------------------ From: "Kirk Wilson" Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 05:31:12 +900 Subject: the_dojang: Han Mu Do Seminar A Yellow Belts Review of Dr. Kimm's Han Mu Do Seminar May 5,6,7,2000 Baton Rouge, La. By Kirk Wilson Jerry Hinkle, Greg Harris, & my self left for Dr. Kimm=92s dojang @ 6:15 A.M. on Friday May 5, 2000. It is approximately 485 miles from Dallas to Baton Rouge, La. and took us 9 hours to make the trip. Our hotel was just behind the dojang. Friday night was a black belt test. We arrived 45 min early to get a seat and watch some of the candidates warm up. There were people testing from 1st Dan to Master Jamie Serio who was testing for his 7th Dan. There were candidates from Singapore to Holland. Saturday the seminar started @ 9:00 A.M. We did 15 minutes of stretching and calisthenics then broke up into 3 groups (colored belts, black belts, and owners & instructors. The dojang has three classrooms with a group in each class. We had 4 sessions before lunch and two sessions after lunch. The instructors rotated from class to class. Master (UNKNOWN) from Singapore conducted our first session. His lesson was on a mandarin form of Tai Chi. The form consisted of 10 different warm-up exercises followed by 4 sets of 18 techniques each. The last set was for sick people who were bed ridden. We were only able to go over the 10 warm up exercises. The exercises & forms are done to music. As he played the music for us I had visions of school children doing pt. At the very end of the lesson he demonstrated several striking techniques based on the principle of how a bullwhip works. He used a cupped hand instead of a palm strike with impressive results. According to Master (UNKNOWN) traditional martial artists do internal harm to their bodies with their hard strikes. The energy from a palm strike goes into the opponent=92s body and an equilivant amount of energy travels back up the arm to the chest & damages the heart. Dr. Kimm attended this session as a student. Our second lesson was from Master Perez a TKD practitioner. We started with some stretching & calisthenics. His lesson was on speed as a way to improve power. The first exercise was to do a roundhouse kick to a x-ray negative as many times as you can before loosing balance. Then you would hold the negative while your partner tried to better your count. Next we practiced trying to punch between our partners hands without them clapping their hands on our punch. For the next exercise we formed two opposing lines. In- between the lines was a center man with a focus pad on each hand. The center man would alternate slapping the focus pads together for each line and students would kick the pad and then go to the end of the other line. Gradually the center man increased the tempo until we could no longer keep up. For the last exercise we performed multiple roundhouse kicks without dropping our foot as we hopped across the floor. Master Perez provided a high-energy work out that was very motivational. I sat out the next lesson on TKD sparring techniques by Master Lee. The session covered distancing, resistance, retreat, and advance. After lunch, Dr. Kimm gave us a lecture on Han Mu Do=92s philosophy. He started with an explanation of the meaning of the belt colors. White means empty waiting for the student to learn. Yellow means the earth where all things start. Orange is a continuation of yellow. Next comes green, which means growth. Blue follows green and represents the sky, which is what things grow towards. Red means danger and is meant to remind the student that he does not know as much as he thinks he does. The last belt color is brown which represents chestnuts a favorite food of the Koreans. Next Dr. Kimm lectured us on the foundation of Han Mu Do. The three elements of Han Mu Do are strength, knowledge, & ki power. He likened these to rock, paper, and scissors. Each can conquer one and be conquered by one. Success depends on using the correct tool. Finally, he demonstrated four defenses against a punch. Inner & outer block with head twist take down and inner & outer block with choke. The purpose of the exercise was to show how basic techniques could be combined. Grand Master Lm conducted the last session of the day. He covered the first six basic sword strikes. The strikes in order are: over head to the head, over head to each shoulder, over shoulder to the wrist, right thrust with blade up to the solar plexus and left thrust with blade down to the throat, horizontal cut to the waist, and an uppercut to the groin. Grand Master Lm gave all commands in Korean and demonstrated each technique. We performed each technique many times until Grand Master Lm was satisfied that we were all doing the technique together. At the end of the class Grand Master Lm commented asked us why we would want to punch someone when we could stand back and chop them up into little pieces. We reassembled in the main studio and were dismissed with an invitation to return for dinner. Mrs. Kimm provided a buffet style dinner of home made Korean food. After the meal Grand Master Lm told us about his life in Korea. He was arrested, sentenced to two life terms, and spent 9 =BD years in prison as a political prisoner. Through the efforts of Dr. Kimm the present government released him and he is now considered a national treasure. During his incarceration he started studying martial arts. He used a small whiskbroom inside his cell and a regular broom outside his cell to practice. His guards called him the broom grand master. Grand Master Lm talked about the Sun Be warriors and their similarities to Japanese Samurai. He talked about combining the throwing, pressure points and joint locks of HMD with the kicking and punching of TKD and the weapons of Moo Ye Ee Ship Sa Ban to create a comprehensive Korean martial art. He also talked about how the political climate has changed over the last 40 years and how he would like to see the two Koreas united. He asked that we learn more about Korea and to do no harm. Sunday=92s session started @ 9:00 A.M. with the same format as Saturday=92s session. Professor Chavez conducted the first colored belt session. He went over the white belt combinations. Dr. Penny Serio conducted the second and third colored belt session and covered the HMD white belt bong form Han Mu Bong Hyung. I sat out the first two sessions so that I could watch Dr. Kimm conduct the advanced HMD techniques training. He discussed the nine directions that each technique could end with. The nine directions are north, south, east, west, northeast, northwest, southeast, southwest, and down. Slight modifications to the same basic technique determine which direction your opponent will travel. I discovered that intermediate and advanced techniques are just the basic techniques with enhancements. Master Lm conducted the last session before lunch for the instructors and school owners. He taught a form called white monkey out for action. I suspect that part of this form was a Korean joke but it did not matter to his students. Greg, Jerry and I had to leave for Dallas at the lunch break so I am not able to report on what took place during the afternoon sessions. This was a fantastic opportunity to learn and I feel very fortunate to have been able to attend. At first, I was somewhat apprehensive about attending the seminar. Several local students of my own rank as well as higher ranks introduced themselves to me, made me feel welcome, and encouraged me when I experienced difficulties. I was treated like family and felt very comfortable. Kirk Wilson kwilson@airmail.net ------------------------------ From: "Tomlinson, Michael E." Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:45:07 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Sin Moo I have worked out with a few of the higher ranking Sin Moo Hapkido gentlemen. Two of these are Master Tony Pak, who is Doju Ji's stepson, and Master Yung T. Freda, who has been with Doju Ji since he first came to America. Neither one of these gentlemen are 9th Dans but they are fantastic Hapkido men. There techniques and command of teaching Sin Moo Hapkido is flawless and very awesome. Plus these two gentlemen would give you the shirt off of their back when it comes to Hapkido. These guys are true Hapkido. Michael Tomlinson ------------------------------ From: HKDTodd@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 06:52:08 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #327 In a message dated 5/10/00 8:15:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I've never bothered to ask, but I have seen at least a couple claim to be 9th Dans under DoJu Ji. Maybe this will come up at the big seminar the end of June? >> Thanks Ray. Todd ------------------------------ From: jsegovia@mindspring.com Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:25:52 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sin Moo Todd wrote: > Who in Sin Moo has been promoted to 9th dan and who will be named successor > to Ji? Maybe no one knows this info. While there are some very senior Sin Moo people who are still with GM Ji, I don't believe he has officially appointed anyone as his successor. Perhaps it will be like many Korean martial arts organizations where there's no official successor and the senior members decide amongst themselves after the grand master is gone. Jesse ------------------------------ From: Dave Weller Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 08:31:14 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: warm ups > Leslie Harris wrote: > Subject: the_dojang: warmups > Hi folks, > > I would like to hear the type of warmups you do (or don't do) at your school > before class. The common practice in our dojang (wtf tkd) is to arrive at class early and do preliminary stretching and warm up before class begins (I personally go through all my forms then stretch afterwards. The forms get the muscles warm and receptive to the stretch.) We generally begin each class with dynamic stretching (bent knee stretches, straight leg stretches) then move to kicking warm-ups (front snap, side, round..whatever ) 10 -20 kicks each leg turning face on each kick. We might do 50 - 100 kicks this way in fairly rapid fashion. Heart rate is up ('specially the geezers in the crowd) , muscles are warm, breath is coming and going rapidly. Mind you these kicks are (or seem to be) done for warm up purposes only. Then we move to more formal floor exercises which can vary from day to day, mostly depending on the make up of the class. Many times we will stop during a class for stretching, breathing exercises, etc. ... Never been to two classes that were alike, and really never expect to. Self defense, sparring, one steps, three steps, bag work, meditation, forms, pushups (generally as a behavioral incentive for the youngsters) sit-ups, and so on are mixed in liberally each class. All the classes at our dojang are taught by 4th - 5th degrees (actually all fifths now, our junior instructor just tested for fifth dan) unless they are sick or vacationing, then one of the junior balck belts takes over. As for strength training I guess I see that as an activity that takes place outside the Dojang. In my very limited experience it appears that your training can't start and stop at the Dojang door, it has to be a regular part of your daily life to be meaningful and useful. I see quite a number of students at our school who I know only do TKD in the dojang. It is especially obvious in poomse when a 2nd gup is struggling through early patterns that should be second nature at their level. But, to each their own. That's how we do it out in the Kansas wastelands ...... It sounds like you have a good program at your school, Leslie. Stick with it ! dave weller (wtf tkd) “Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. Practice ten thousand hours and you learn about yourself.” Myamoto Musashi ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:03:21 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Force Meters I have not tried the new force meter that century is marketing. Several years ago, close to 10, Century carried a system called Impact or Impax, not sure which, that had some neat functions. It measured force, and also reaction time. You could set it to give randomly timed beeps, then it measured not only the force, but the reaction time from beep to strike. I found that it really helped cut down reaction times if you used it over a period of weeks. Improved the concentration I guess. Mr. Steffen is correct in that I wouldn't take the readings to seriously. However, they do give you a relative index. The biggest advantage I found was in showing some students visually the difference between pushing, which moves a person or a bag, and kicking which dumps a lot more kinetic energy into the target. This helped a lot of students understand this concept. Century quit carrying the equipment I had, and couldn't tell me where I could find it or if it is still manufactured. Danny Dunn ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #328 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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