From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #342 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 16 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 342 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: kids lesson frequency the_dojang: RE: trials and tribulations the_dojang: Re: Rank the_dojang: Murky history the_dojang: Seeking... the_dojang: Dojang Yellow Pages. [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 945 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Carl W" Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 08:51:11 MDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: kids lesson frequency > >But a lot of the time I think it is the student who holds themselves back. >They come to only 2 classes a week ... every week .... for years. They >wonder why it takes them so long. It is not the same thing as coming in 3 >- >4 days a week and doing 2 or 3 classes in one day. >I have to explain that all the time to my students and their parents in >here. > I think its important to help your kids be a well-rounded person and to instill in them the importance of active living. Our 8 year old daughter is finishing her 2nd year of TKD, however she is also completing her 5th year of dancing. In the fall and winter she also takes swimming lessons and plays soccer in the spring. She is also active in her school choir and art club. For the most part of the year, she makes it to TKD classes at least 2 times a week. However, because of everything else going on right now, she hasn't been to a TKD class since the middle of April and probably won't make it back to one until the middle of June. Being goal-oriented, she always want to be with the next group of testing students as, with any enthusiastic kid, she wants to get her black belt as soon as possible. I remind her that, as TKD is something she can do for the rest of her life, that 1st dan is only the beginning, and that she should look forward to having a lot of different experiences while she young and is able to do so. At our dancing school there are always a few parents that attempt, by whatever means, to get their kid on 'center-stage', despite factors of talent and ability. I haven't seen many of these types in TKD but I imagine they are there as well. If any child was taking MA classes 3 or 4 times a week, 2 or 3 times a day, I'd have a hard look at whats happening in the background (not that this many classes is necessarily a bad thing, but that it should ring a few alarm bells). Carl W. PS TKD and dancing are an excellent complement to one another. While the techniques are very different, they both teach focus, concentration, coordination, discipline, grace, speed, fluid motion, etc. We've noticed a marked improvement in our daughter's dancing since she started TKD and she readily picks her new TKD patterns. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:29:42 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: trials and tribulations As you all can see, for we long-suffering students there many trials to endure besides the physical efforts of TKD... ;) Sorry I didn't run into anybody at the tourney... but I had fun competing and running around the mountains with my fiance... hope all had a good and safe time and brought home more hardware than I did! :) Kerry ( with due respect to Jr Master Farral ) > From: "Farral, Kim G" > Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:11:18 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Request for Betty > > Betty... > > If and when you see Kerry...count the number of toes you can see > without tape...and the number of times he appears to be focussing power > and > fierceness in his form...they should be the same...(it's actually a > grimace > from pain...or gas...tough to tell)...also tell him to bring back some > REAL > food for his favorite short instructor... > > Good luck to you ...and tell Kerry the same when you see him > please...sorry > I can't be there... > > Thanks > > > The One and Only... > > Tink > > ------------------------------ From: "Shaun Fortune" Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:00:02 CDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Rank Before I begin, greetings to you all. I believe this is the same list I subscribed to a few years ago in college and I just recently rejoined. It is even better than I remember. My response on the issue of rank: >------------------------------ > >From: dbuehrer@denver.carl.org >Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:59:06 -0600 >Subject: the_dojang: Re: Rank > >From: Ray Terry > > >I recently received a short memo from an American master that got his > >start in the martial arts in 1943, when he was 18 years old. In >discussing > >rank and age he mentioned that in Japan in 1950 there were 2,700 Judo 6th >Dans > >- -under- the age of 30. > > > >The point? We often talk about rank inflation and people obtaining rank >too > >quickly these days. Perhaps we in the West are just now catching up to >the > >East. Yes, being a 9th Dan while only in your 30s seems way out-of-line, >but > >we don't see many 28 or 29 year old 6th Dans even today here in the West. > >Should we? > >IMHO it all depends on what value and expectations are placed on rank, and >the value we place on martial arts in general. I totally agree with the fact that it depends on the value that is placed on rank, but I am speaking of an individual rather than a societal value. For example, I have heard tales of someone in a city near where I live promoting himself from 4th to 5th dan. In my opinion, that is NOT cool and I don't have any idea how he got away with it. So I would personally value the ranks of some schools more than the ranks of others. I personally have seen students come from other taekwondo schools to ours that held a relatively high rank in the previous school that just did not compare to my students (IMHO). So just because someone is 6th dan, regardless of age, that does not mean they deserve it by everyone's standards. I have seen people of relatively high rank who may have amazing technique (or maybe not even that), but have no sense of what martial arts are all about. And I have seen people of lower dan rank (or even colored-belts) who really have begun to grasp the true nature of martial arts. To me, that is MUCH more significant that what rank someone holds. Just an opinion. Shaun M. Fortune Taekwondo and hapkido shaun_fortune@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Scott Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:29:20 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Murky history I found the following information on a website. I was wondering if anyone could varify that Daito-Ryo Aiki Jujitsu came from Shilla? <> Master Takeda was taught the art of swordsmanship by his Father and Grandfather. Master Takeda taught a weaponless martial art known as Daito-Ryu Aiki Jujitsu. This art emphasized the use of joint locks, strikes, and nerve attacks to neutralize an opponent. The exact history of Daito-Ryu Aiki Jujitsu like many other martial arts remain unclear. According to Gitshomaru Ueshiba (son of Morihei Ueshiba, the Founder of Aikido), from his book on the history of Aikido, however, the style, the Takeda family has come to call Daito-Ryu Aiki Jujitsu, originated from the Shilla Dynasty of Korea. A bureaucratic official, Sam Lang Won, Eui Guang in Korean, is believed to have taught this art to the first generation of the Takeda family of which Master Sokaku Takeda was the 37th generation. It remains uncertain when this art crossed the waters from Korea to Japan. <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>> Scott ------------------------------ From: JBoorstein@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:19:55 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Seeking... I'm trying to track down a martial artist friend whom I haven't seen in about 20 years. His name is David Stone (or M -- for Mark -- David Stone). When I knew him he was studying under Son Duk Sung in Manhattan and ran the Westchester School of Korean Karate. Mr. Son says he hasn't seen David "in long time." Any help or hints gratefully received. JB ------------------------------ From: Tony Preston Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:42:02 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Dojang Yellow Pages. The Yellow Pages is a list of schools made up from the people on various martial arts related lists. The idea of the list is to inform people where they might find a school that they can train at while visiting or moving into a new area. This covers all styles of martial arts. This is an international listing. You can view the Yellow Pages is via the web site: www.k2nesoft.com/~apreston/Yellow.Pages.html If you have sent me mail with your information and you do not see it on the list, please re-send it since I may have lost it...:) I would suggest that everyone look up their listing information and make sure it is current and correct correct. If your school is not there, fill out the form in the page and it will be added. The list is international and covers all sorts of arts. If you send me a form, it will be added to the list in a day or two. If you do not see it, then resend it after a couple of days. Please use the form on the web page since I have the updates semi-automated with the form. If you do not send your information with the form, I must do the work by hand and it will take longer for your listing to appear. One additional note, if you have your own web page for your school, you can added an html link to it in the additional information and it will allow people to automatically see a link to your site. Due to an accident and a problem with some backups, I lost the complete listing for California. If you have a school or attend one in California, please take a moment to enter your information. I am re-building the California list. Also, you can include any type of information including an http link to your own home page in your information text. Just put the link in the info the same way you would your html page... Thank You. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #342 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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