From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #345 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 17 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 345 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #344 the_dojang: School yard brawl the_dojang: Aiki History the_dojang: RE: Chuck Norris the_dojang: Re: Why Do We Train? the_dojang: Ki finger the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #344 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #344 the_dojang: Officer Needs Help the_dojang: Long-Suffering Finale' [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 945 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LenGWhite@cs.com Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:49:15 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #344 In a message dated 5/17/00 11:44:15 AM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Subject: the_dojang: Chuck Norris >> Noris was recently interviewed by NPR in Houston, where he lives, and he did say that he was being awarded the hon. rank that week. My belief is that it was as much for the fantastic work that he does in the community (so he does not teach the hand and foot movements but I assure you that he exemplifies and teaches the tennents of TKD). He works extensively with the iner city kids, financing their TKD training, and working his Anti-drug programs. He deserves all he gets. ------------------------------ From: "Tomlinson, Michael E." Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:52:04 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: School yard brawl Jesse, I've said this over and over, this is a scenario that suggest again that all students should eventually train also in grappling. It is just plain common sense. Michael Tomlinson ------------------------------ From: "Tomlinson, Michael E." Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:59:21 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Aiki History I have read in a few different places that the art of ju jitsu actually entered Japan thru Korea in the area of the 7th century a.d., it makes common sense when you think that the Kingdom of Silla and the Hwarang Do warriors were around a full 800 to 1000 years before there was such a thing as a Samurai warrior,,, let's face it, where did the Japanese get all of their fighting science. Michael Tomlinson ------------------------------ From: Robert Martin Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:15:39 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Chuck Norris Ray, It appears that this is an honorary rank. Gen. Choi is developing a special martial arts tournament that is "world wide" in scope. He started working on it last year at the ITF world event. I have heard that several major martial arts personalities have become involved. I'm speculating that he gave Chuck Norris this certificate in exchange for his help in promoting the event. I hope to have more on the tournament in the next few weeks. Regards Robert Martin From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Chuck Norris This from ITFer Robert Martin: > An interesting side note: Gen. Choi Hong Hi awared Chuck Norris > an 8th Dan in the ITF a couple of weeks ago. Is this true? Not that Master Norris doesn't deserve such rank, but this would seem to not support recent statements about the ITF and how they are organized, esp given that Master Norris does not even teach Taekwondo. Is this perhaps an honorary rank? To Ft. Fun Danny, I'm not being critical of the ITF. Just asking... :) Ray ------------------------------ From: "Shaun Fortune" Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:45:10 CDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Why Do We Train? >------------------------------ > >From: jsegovia@mindspring.com >Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:47:44 -0400 >Subject: the_dojang: A Schoolyard Brawl > >My oldest daughter told me about a fight between two seniors at her high >school. This is second hand but I guess it came from several sources. A >Korean-American kid of average size got into a verbal altercation with a >fairly big and well-known 'bad boy' at school that resulted in the bad boy >challenging the Korean to a fight after class in a parking lot nearby. The >Korean said 'sure, I'm a Taekwondo blackbelt, I'm gonna kick your ...' You >get the point. Unfortunately for him, it didn't turn out that way. > >As the Korean drove into the parking lot, the bad boy ran right up to the >car, opened the door and pulled the Korean kid out. He slammed him to the >ground and proceeded to beat him while his car slowly rolled off. The >Korean kid never had a chance. Apparently he was pretty messed up and >missed a day or two of school, although he's back now. > >Lessons? Obviously, don't get into stupid fights, especially if you don't >have to. But also, the bad boy was pretty smart. By surprising the kid >and getting him down fast (and using his greater weight to keep him down), >he never gave the Taekwondo stylist a chance to use his skills. > >What are we training for? And how do we train? > >Jesse - --End of previous quote-- IMHO, martial arts training is about making yourself and the world around you better. That can be taken many different ways, but basically I'm talking about attitude and behavior. Physical technique is *very* important in your training; why would you only want to do something halfway? But the attitude and behavior change that comes about from martial arts training has the power to change not only your life, but the lives of those around you and, indeed, the entire world. The first thing I teach a new student is that taekwondo (and all martial arts) is not to be used in a physical manner on any person unless there is an absolute necessity. I can only think of two of my students in twelve years that have had to use their taekwondo to defend themselves and in both situations, not only were they justified, but they were able to successfully defend themselves without injuring *anyone*, themselves or their attackers. I don't know how many other students may have been in situations where they have had to talk their way out of a potential bad situation, but I personally had one such instance in high school. The guy was in my face and doing the "manly" poking of my chest, but it never turned into anything because I didn't let it. Here is a possible lesson: I had enough confidence in myself and my abilities that I didn't have anything to prove. (Attitude) I was not aggressive and talked him out of pounding me into the ground. (Behavior) Granted, I had confidence in my technique due to the rigorous physical training we do. But my attitude and behavior was what turned that situation around. Backing down from a fight (in that particular situation) is sometimes a hard thing to do. One may not want to be viewed as a "sissy" or a "wimp", especially not a male high school senior. But I find that humility is an important aspect of martial arts training. It might have even saved him a beating. Just an opinion. Shaun M. Fortune Taekwondo/hapkido shaun_fortune@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: David Beck Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:43:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: the_dojang: Ki finger I'd like to start a new discussion about use of the index finger in Hapkido. The different instructors I've had didn't stress it, nor did Dojunim JI in the seminars I've been to with him, but obviously it is a big deal in some versions of Hapkido, even being used in the symbol for some HKD organizations. Also obviously it helps in concentrating the grip on the bottom three fingers and in pointing it lining up the direction you want the person to go. I'm wondering how widespread it is, if it's a subtlety that often gets lost, something perhaps Yong Sool CHOI did but JI didn't, if it comes up in Daito-Ryu Aikijujitsu or Aikido, basically it's history. I haven't had a chance to ask Dojunim JI about it specifically, perhaps Master Nabors can do so or someone such as Master West can share some info. David N. Beck Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com WATT Lead Engineer Alcatel USA 1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** ------------------------------ From: jsegovia@mindspring.com Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:58:32 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #344 When I first studied Hapkido I never heard anything about Japan or jujitsu; Hapkido was presented strictly as a Korean art, as can be seen in the first few Hapkido books. When people finally started saying GM Choi lived in Japan for all those years and learned Aiki Jujitsu from the same man who taught Aikido's GM Ueshiba, I readily accepted this as it seemed a serious admission for a Korean to make, that the foundation of a Korean martial art came directly from Japan. When I heard that Japanese Daito Ryu people denied this, I thought it was in response to some of the stronger claims GM Choi supposedly made (Sokaku loved him as his son, GM Choi was Takeda's senior student, GM Choi would've been the heir to Daito Ryu if not for Takeda's death or the confusion caused by WWII). I actually never knew those in Japan claim never to have laid eyes on him. What's undeniable is that basic Hapkido hoshinsul is VERY close to Aiki Jujitsu. I've seen some of the Daito Ryu video tapes and although the presentation is umistakenly formal Japanese, they're the same techniques, done the same way. Jesse Ray wrote: > This brings up an interesting question as to where GM Choi Yong-sul learned > his Yawara. ------------------------------ From: foxdragon@cuttingedge.net Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:42:30 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #344 the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > From: Ray Terry > Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:00:07 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: the_dojang: Chuck Norris > > This from ITFer Robert Martin: > > > An interesting side note: Gen. Choi Hong Hi awared Chuck Norris > > an 8th Dan in the ITF a couple of weeks ago. > > Is this true? Not that Master Norris doesn't deserve such rank, but this > would seem to not support recent statements about the ITF and how they > are organized, esp given that Master Norris does not even teach Taekwondo. > Is this perhaps an honorary rank? > > To Ft. Fun Danny, I'm not being critical of the ITF. Just asking... :) > > Ray When I read a article about Chuck Norris last yr in TKD Times it said he recieved 8th dan in Tang Soo Do. Though Chuck Norris practices many martial arts I believe what Mr. Martin said was not quite right. Donna - -- Me and my shadow ------------------------------ From: "H. Maki" Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:36:59 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Officer Needs Help Please pardon me - I know this is off topic a bit but I *value so much* the opinions of my virtual friends out there. I am a police officer here in South Florida and find myself often "outgunned and undermanned" and I am constantly trying to cross train, or apply, techniques of my martial arts training - TKD primarily - to my on the job applications. I am constantly baffled why police departments non-train us in defensive tactics, we are pretty much left to our own discipline and self-motivation to learn and advance. "Thrown to the wolves" is a phrase that first comes to mind. So, my current project is trying to apply stick fighting techniques to the use of our ASP (expandable metal baton)- can someone recommend a video for me? This would save me much valuable time (which I do not have). Better yet, has someone already attempted this challenge? I REALLY was dissatisfied with how our department trained us in the use of this impact weapon. I very much appreciate your advice and input. PS: I want to publicly thank Alain Burrese for his Hapkido video - excellent material, it has been a gold mine for me to draw from in my daily work. Great Job! ------------------------------ From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:40:39 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Long-Suffering Finale' Weed-Hopper... Your words bring meaning and sincerity to my ears...we can discuss your future over the supper you will treat me too out of your sincere respect and admiration as well as your overwhelming generosity...I think Tokyo would be a good place...NOT the restaurant...the CITY!... Perhaps you wish to invite members of the Digest as well...since you are feeling in such a generous mood??? Thanks for the Kind words Kerry...Greatly appreciate them and I do whole heartedly agree with your viewpoint on "Cross-Pollination"! I have believed in the same since I was a White Belt. Wish I had more students with your desire, fortitude, and open mind. It's a pleasure to be your instructor. BTW:...As much as we joke around...I'm not kidding about the supper...Tokyo we can discuss. The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #345 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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