From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #348 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 18 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 348 In this issue: the_dojang: 10-99 (officer needs help) the_dojang: re: Chun Kuk Do the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #347 the_dojang: Re: missing the Aiki ? Re: the_dojang: Re: missing the Aiki ? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #343 the_dojang: meditation the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #345 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #343 the_dojang: Re: School Yard Brawl [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 945 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oregfightingarts@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:42:37 EDT Subject: the_dojang: 10-99 (officer needs help) Take a look at the book, and I believe there are a couple videos by Kelly Worden called Tactical Baton...I learned a few things from them that I immediately put in my program. Paladin press has them. Also, I believe one of the dog brothers has put a LE video out......Ray, you might know better! Mark Gajdostik TNT-Police Combatives ------------------------------ From: HwarangTSD@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:50:38 EDT Subject: the_dojang: re: Chun Kuk Do Ray as far as this being the proper name for Master Norris's art, I am unsure. I do know that there was an interview with him, in which he said that was the name of the art. Spelling could have been off, and then again you also know how some interviewers like to interject their own words, too. Sincerely, Frank ------------------------------ From: foxdragon@cuttingedge.net Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:02:51 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #347 > From: Ray Terry > Is Chun Kuk Do the correct name for Chuck's blend of Tang Soo Do, Judo, > and Machado JJ? > Hmmm. I did not know he taught a blend. Kinda like what my style does eh? I think I will check this out. Internet play time. :) Oh. I could be wrong in the 8th dan ranking. He is either 8th or 7th. Donna - -- Me and my shadow ------------------------------ From: "pvallad1" Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:36:12 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: missing the Aiki ? Ray, Are you near the San Luis Obispo area? I've been told there is a very good Daito Ryu Kodokai dojo over there, run by a Sensei Kiyama. I'd be interested to read a report if you ever get a chance to visit and compare notes with Kiyama-sensei. Paolo ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:11:33 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: missing the Aiki ? > Are you near the San Luis Obispo area? I've been told there is a very good > Daito Ryu Kodokai dojo over there, run by a Sensei Kiyama. I'd be interested > to read a report if you ever get a chance to visit and compare notes with > Kiyama-sensei. SLO is about a 3 day bicycle ride from my house, 2 days for a 'manly man', (~230 miles) down through Big Sur and along the beautiful California coast. It has been a couple years since I've made that trek, but I hope to get my old butt (and I do mean butt) in shape enough to pull it off again this summer. If/when I do I'll try to check out their dojo. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:49:31 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #343 In a message dated 5/17/00 6:32:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > There are so many young back belts with a great deal of talent that I > believe they should be promoted to rank befitting their talent I know that many people feel that rank should be based solely upon a student's technical performance. The way I was raised in taekwondo, however, makes room for other criteria that are difficult to demonstrate or judge on exam day. One's long-term attitude and dedication, not just to one's own training, but to the dojang, master and art are looked at as well. I was taught that this is because we were learning martial art, not martial sport. In sports, technical prowess is often the only thing that matters. Look at Dennis Rodman, for example. While in the martial arts there are the ethical, emotional and mental aspects to be learned and mastered along with the physical skills. I wonder how most Americans of the 21 century feel about this? SESilz ------------------------------ From: Ron Steele Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:14:47 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: meditation (coming out of lurk mode) I started meditation about a year ago. I wish I was more consistent at it, as I find if very useful. I got the book "Teach Yourself Zen" (which would almost seems an oxymoron) and use the beginning Zen routines. I find mediation decreases stress, increases concentration and gives me more patience. All around a good thing. Meditation is one of those things that is so simple in principle, yet not so simple to do. I found I really started to "get it" after a couple of months. I got to a point where I could be waiting at a stop light (horrible traffic here in the DC area) and just "switch off" to a zero stress state, and switch right back on and peacefully drive off when the light changed. A great cure for road rage. I need to practice more to be able to do it now. I think the Zen "emptiness" idea is very close to what I get to when I'm sparring well. You must be aware of everything, but concentrate on nothing and not allow stray thoughts into your head. (returning to lurk mode - watching all this great TKD knowledge go by) Ron (almost ready to test for 1st gup). ------------------------------ From: "Rodney G. Graves" Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:43:02 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #345 Mr. Beck, I can't speak to the origins, but the extended index finger was emphasized by my Kwan Jang, though less so by my Sabum. From my own experience, I have found that it improves leverage for the joint locks. The down side is that it provides a target of opportunity. V/R Rod Rodney G. Graves Il Dan, Hapkido >I'd like to start a new discussion about use of the index finger in Hapkido. >The different instructors I've had didn't stress it, nor did Dojunim JI in the >seminars I've been to with him, but obviously it is a big deal in some >versions of Hapkido, even being used in the symbol for some HKD organizations. >Also obviously it helps in concentrating the grip on the bottom three >fingers and in pointing it lining up the direction you want the person >to go. I'm wondering how widespread it is, if it's a subtlety that often >gets lost, something perhaps Yong Sool CHOI did but JI didn't, if it comes up >in Daito-Ryu Aikijujitsu or Aikido, basically it's history. I haven't had >a chance to ask Dojunim JI about it specifically, perhaps Master Nabors can >do so or someone such as Master West can share some info. > >David N. Beck Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com >WATT Lead Engineer >Alcatel USA 1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075 >** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** > >------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 02:55:00 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #343 In a message dated 5/17/00 9:33:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I've also tried other forms of meditation, like those taught by GM JI Han-jae. >> Are talking about Dan joen Breathing (spelling error) Jack ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 04:02:07 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: School Yard Brawl In a message dated 5/17/00 9:46:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Lessons? Obviously, don't get into stupid fights, especially if you don't have to. But also, the bad boy was pretty smart. By surprising the kid and getting him down fast (and using his greater weight to keep him down), he never gave the Taekwondo stylist a chance to use his skills. >> That's why I believe you should also have some lessons in ground techniques ... And alot of hand techniques not just kicking (tho, I do love kicking !) By telling the other person he was a "black belt in TKD" ... he just told the guy what he was good at. So of course the guy had to take him before he could do him damage with his learned skills. Know what I mean? Never tell an enemy your tactics you are going to use. The other kid certainly didn't ... did he ???! Nope, he kept it as a big surprise. I am sure the TKD Black Belt learned a valuable lesson that day ... and I hope he learned the "whole lesson" ... not just the part about getting beat up. Do any of you use reality type scenarios in your classes or sparring days? Illona ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 06:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #348 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.