From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #352 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 19 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 352 In this issue: the_dojang: Ki Finger the_dojang: re: Chuck Norris the_dojang: Re: Aunt Anna Napolitano=early intro to fancy footwork and knife defense ! the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #351 the_dojang: Re: Strippers and Martial Arts the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #351 the_dojang: Re: Wheelchair MA the_dojang: Re: alternately abled black belts the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #350 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #351 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #351 [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 945 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G. Booth" Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:56:21 +1000 Subject: the_dojang: Ki Finger Apologies for the delay in getting a reply into this possibly dead thread, I have been wrapping up our latest U Hok Saeng (live in) training course. I was brought up to use the Ki finger for many reasons, I have noticed however that GM Ji doesn't use the Ki finger in a lot of his techniques. I questioned him on this point and his reply was basically that this was the way he used to teach in Korea, he now doesn't use it as much as it can give your opponent the opportunity to grab the finger to stop your technique, this is one of the reasons he has worked away from using it in the more modern Sin Moo techniques and one of the reasons that those of us with a lineage into Korea still have the technique, it would only be those who are purely Sin Moo practitioners that would start to use this less. Some thoughts right or wrong, take your pick. Regards from the Land Downunda. Geoff Booth PS. Take a look at our recently updated website. PPS. Looking forward to catching up with Master West in Korea in July! International Hapkido Alliance Australia Hapkido Group http://hapkido.netro.com.au "The art is in the person, all we have to do is bring it out" ------------------------------ From: HwarangTSD@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:59:26 EDT Subject: the_dojang: re: Chuck Norris Tom, its interesting that you brought that up about Norris and TSD. Believe it or not, I saw an article, last year I believe, wherein he indicated that Tang Soo Do was no more and that only TKD exists. As a Moo Duk Kwan master, I personally found that offensive. Taekwondo is a beautiful martial art in its own right, but, it is different. I teach the TKD (Kukki) black belt forms as a supplement only. For the most part, we are very different systems. But thats only IMHO. Frank ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Aunt Anna Napolitano=early intro to fancy footwork and knife defense ! Just returned from class. Interesting class on reaction drills, re: Kick,jab, catch, jab; opponent defends, you counter. Different foot leads, and different speeds. Come in with high hands, then jab low. Interesting drill. Digressing. Early childhood recollection. So after the chicken meal in Queens, New York, we would start teasing Aunt Anna Napolitano. She was an older Italian woman who had a mean streak. She wore droopy dresses with nylon stockings that only went to her knees. She ate provolone sandwiches. That is-- slices of provolone cheese in between Italian bread. She was a nun in Italy and left the church. We knew we could easily piss her off. We would start teasing her and she would go into the kitchen and grab a few knives from the kitchen draw. Then she would start chasing us down the street throwing the knives at us and yelling, "Bastardo, you sonofa bi...ba fungul..." We would get her more angry by yelling "Duze Bots" (sic). She would just barely miss us with the knives. Forgetaboutit. This was a bi-monthly ritual. Then the other elders would yell at us and tell us to leave Aunt Anna alone. This was, I believe, the start of my early formative years in knife defense training. Ken McD... > >My grandmother on my mother's side could do an excellent 'wrist' technique > >that was unbelievable to behold. She'd grab the chicken by the head and, > >quicker than the eye cold see, do this little twist or, as the Koreans say, > >gokki, and the chicken's neck would be broken. > > > >When my grandmother spoke to me, you better believe I listened! 8-) > > > >Jesse > >Once we discover a common ground, the walls of difference begin to fall. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Seadoo76@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:07:31 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #351 I have been reading the posts about wheelchair bound students and had to relay a call I got today. We are having a tournament in two weeks and I was called to day by an instructor with a kid with handicaps. This 9 year old has had several brain tumors and is partially paralyzed. He has been doing taekwondo for several months and has shown great improvement. Due to his tumors the instructor was worried about him doing our tournament and getting kicked in the head. This kid is really excited about doing a tournament. I told him that we would do everything possible to find a student that we knew we could trust to control their kicks and give him a good match. I was glad he called and we were able to help him make his student happy. This student just wants to compete. Donna ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Strippers and Martial Arts Thayne wrote several hypotheticals on morals and martial arts: One hypo was: Response: No, I believe the women's body is a joyous splendid sight to behold. So I would suggest that you send that student to a new school I may form in the future. Of course I am an equal opportunity employer so male strippers will also be able to take lessons. What a class that will be... McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: foxdragon@cuttingedge.net Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:06:19 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #351 > I think it's kind of dangerous to appoint yourself as a moral arbiter for > things > that go on outside of the school. Some things that might be considered > immoral > to you might not be considered immoral to other people. The situations > you're > mentioning don't seem to fall in that category, but I still imagine that > people > aren't going to take too well to being judged at that level for their > actions. > > (A bunch of rhetorical questions to follow:) > > A guy I know in my school doesn't mind that his young daughter is living > with > her boyfriend (both of whom are at the school also). I don't agree with > that > choice. Which ones should I kick out? All of them? No one. None of your business. > > A girl in my school is a stripper, should I kick her out because I find > that > offensive? A instructor of my federation is a bouncer at a strip joint. I find him a very respectable man. Hey, it is just a job. > > A guy in my school is a drug dealer, but has never tried selling at class, > should I kick him out? If it proves to be yes. > > A guy in my school is trying to sell drugs at class, should I kick him out? > Same as above. Donna - -- Me and my shadow ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:34:59 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Wheelchair MA << If your wife improves the quality of her life and learns to overcome the limitations of her physical body and thus propels herself to new levels of self-worth and feelings of accomplishment, I say (for what it's worth) that she definitely would be the definition of a blackbelt and should be encouraged to try for it. Wish her best of luck from me....J. R. West >> I agree 100%. It is not that she gets better than others, but that she improves from where she is now. A person should be judged against themselves, not necessarily others. I wish her all the best in her study of martial arts as well. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese http://members.aol.com/aburrese/ ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:43:07 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: alternately abled black belts mike might know more about this, but i believe combat hapkido has a training program which is geared for the wheelchair occupant. and btw, i agree with your comment that programs should be modified, not lowered to meet the needs of these students. melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com ------------------------------ From: YMCATKD@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 00:06:14 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #350 << I practice Sun-Do, which is a Korean version of mountain Taoist breathing meditation. >> Isn't "Sun" in Korean refering to Zen not Taoism??? ------------------------------ From: YMCATKD@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 00:15:02 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #351 Let me help you.......... << A guy I know in my school doesn't mind that his young daughter is living with her boyfriend (both of whom are at the school also). I don't agree with that choice. Which ones should I kick out? All of them?>> Let them stay as long as their relationship does not effect anything in the dojang. <> This is tough but I would not throw her out....you may be able to help her find a more moral profession. <> This guy should be kicked out immediately!!! <> Same here....this guy really needs to be gone. - ------- I am not trying to say that students or instructors need to be perfect but we need to draw the line somewhere. I feel that we as instructors have a responsiblity to set a good example for our students to follow. We can be a role models for our students. Andy ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 00:18:15 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #351 In a message dated 5/18/00 10:47:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << wife improves the quality of her life and learns to overcome the limitations of her physical body and thus propels herself to new levels of self-worth and feelings of accomplishment, I say (for what it's worth) that she definitely would be the definition of a blackbelt and should be encouraged to try for it. Classy Answer from a class act! ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #352 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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