From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #353 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 19 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 353 In this issue: the_dojang: Dojangs in Los Vegas the_dojang: Re:sun do the_dojang: Interesting development the_dojang: Karate and the Olympics the_dojang: Re: Ethics the_dojang: Re: Scenarios the_dojang: Re: Behind their Backs the_dojang: Ethics the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #352 the_dojang: Knee injury the_dojang: Re: V7 #351: Ethics in martial arts training [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 955 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rodney G. Graves" Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 21:46:45 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Dojangs in Los Vegas Gentlefolk, I'm going to be in Las Vegas next week. Any know of any Hapkido Dojang there that would take a guest for a few sessions? V/R Rod Who hates to miss training... ------------------------------ From: HwarangTSD@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 00:55:44 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re:sun do As a beginner in sun do, I only know a little. However, you are correct sun do means the art or way of zen. Sun Do is currently practiced at both Shin Woo Sa and Kwanohmsa temples. Both of which are buddhist with Shin Woo Sa being in Korea, and Kwanohmsa being built in the US by a Korean monk, who I forget his name. While there are many breathing techniques used, like the Taoist turtle breath, Sun Do is much more buddhist in nature and also uses exercises which one could consider to be Yogic in nature. However, having studied Taoism as a youth along with Hao Taiji, I believe that Taoists are quite receptive about "absorbing what is useful" from other sources. Hope this helps. Frank ------------------------------ From: Robert Martin Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:33:27 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Interesting development I recived this note a while ago. I think it is an interesting development in the ITF. I understnad this is a forerunner to a more world wide event. Regards Robert Martin I am recently in receipt of a letter of endorsement from General Choi. He is asking for Canadian ITF support of the 2000 Canadian Martial Arts Games, that will be held June 23 & 24th, in Hull, Quebec. This event is a multi-disciplined BLACK BELT only event. This competition is the first of its kind in Canada, and is a branch-type-effort of the International Martial Arts Games Committee. General Choi is quoted: "I encourage all ITF Black Belt members in Canada to support and to participate in this important Canadian historical martial arts event." Canadians wishing more information may call Master Phap Lu at (613) 739-9826 ------------------------------ From: Robert Martin Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:35:45 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Karate and the Olympics The most recent issue of Black Belt magazine had an article about Karates bid for the Olympics. What do the USTU (and other WTF folks) on the list think about this? Is it going to impact TKD in the Olympics? Regards Robert Martin ------------------------------ From: Kim Jones Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Ethics > So, how do you know that these people have done these things > anyway? Have you talked to them directly or is this gossip? > How do you plan on keeping the school from becoming a clique > where once you hear some dirt on someone, you have to kick them > out because you kicked the last guy out? > > In the end I think people need to hold themselves to a higher > standard, rather than having one imposed on them from someone > else. If they aren't holding themselves to it, it's not going > to work. *applauds* I don't think there's anything to add on, but I'd like to re-iterate this statement. YOur own (un)happiness is the direct result of the choices you make...it's the consequence of your choices, and if you choose to live a relatively "straight" lifestyle, you will be happy with the results of your choices. I mean straight here to be as you do the right thing, not your sexual orientation. Since I made adjustments to how I've lived, I've been much happier...to be frank, I've laid off the alcohol and focused more on meaningful relationships with men...your happiness is the result of your choices. Nobody can force you to act proper, only you can. ===== ~~Kim Jones (*ladytimberland@yahoo.com*) http://kenochi_timberland.tripod.com/ ICQ: 52828008 AOL: Lady Timberland "The path of excess leads to the tower of wisdom." Enigma, "Gravity of Love" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 02:15:01 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Scenarios In a message dated 5/18/00 3:16:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << The results someone gets from dealing with a violent encounter successfully, even a simulated one, will do wonders for their confidence and, I've found, really helps to 'bring it all together' regaring martial training... besides....its a BLAST ! Train hard....sorry for the length. >> Wow .. Mark ! You have got me fired up, too ! This is great ... will have to do some serious thinking on this and get some scenarios like this going here, too. Thanks ! Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 02:22:38 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Behind their Backs In a message dated 5/18/00 7:47:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << So, how do you know that these people have done these things anyway? Have you talked to them directly or is this gossip? How do you plan on keeping the school from becoming a clique where once you hear some dirt on someone, you have to kick them out because you kicked the last guy out? >> Yeah, tell me about it. There is one girl and her mom here that has told me some bad things about one advanced rank girl here. The other girl says "no way" ... she didn't do any of that stuff. Who do you believe? Now the mom and her daughter are spreading things about another girl here ... saying she is a witch and putting hexes on people (I nipped this one in the bud by telling them that gossip is not allowed in the school ... period ... so knock it off). Whenever I get something from someone like this ... and they are looking at me to do something about it ... I do. I call the other person or their parents and report it. Then I turn it over to the other person or parents to handle. Alot of times when this happens ... they have never come face to face with the other person or even talked to the other parents about it. They do it all behind everyone's back ... and wanting me to kick them out or something because they are not what they think a martial artist should be like. What do you guys do in a case like this ? Illona ------------------------------ From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 06:56:25 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Ethics Here is my wee bit of opinion on the ethics question: We, as Martial Artists, have the responsibility uphold, promote, and teach ethical behavior in our students as that is a basis for all martial arts...equally important is that our students are a reflection of ourselves...what the public sees in them they see in us...it is required by the very nature of martial arts that we produce students who are law biding, courteous people who are a benefit to the social order and general welfare...not people who will take what we have taught them and utilize it for malicious, detrimental, or illegal purposes...the idea is to help people through martial arts...not hurt them. must agree that we must not be the moral arbitrators of our students...being a Christian...I do not condone many lifestyles, but neither do I condemn people for their personal choices... To answer Thayne Coffman's questions...I As far as the boyfriend and girlfriend...I have no say in their personal life...if they feel they are old enough to accept the responsibility so be it...even if they are not...it's not my place to interfere with that type of choice, but make it clear to them that as their instructor you are there to help them with their problems...so NO...I would Not kick them out...silly thing to do... If you find that a person is a stripper and that offends you...then don't accept an offensive person into your school....rather...direct them to an instructor who is not offended so that they may reap the benefits of martial arts...after all...it's your school and you have the right to teach or not teach anyone you wish...but never take on a student that you find offensive...that is totally counterproductive...so...YES or NO...depending on how you view the person and the situation... ANYONE selling controlled substances...regardless of to whom or where they are selling is breaking the law...we are not here to support those that commit federal offensives...to the contrary we are suppose to be defenders of law and the law-biding...as a member of the Navy Reserves and as an employee to a government contractor...it is my obligation to report such activities to the nearest authorities...that obligation should hold true for not only instructors, but all martial artists...so NO you take on drug dealers as students. BOTTOM LINE: It is up to YOU, the instructor, to decide whom you want as students and whom you don't want...after all it is YOUR school and you have the right to accept or reject anyone for your own reasons...but, YOU must live with the decision legally, morally, and ethically... MHO... The One and Only... Tink ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:36:36 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #352 In a message dated 5/18/00 11:36:40 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << but i believe combat hapkido has a training program which is geared for the wheelchair occupant. >> Here's the web site you speak of. Gary Pieratt De fense-Ability Home Page ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:46:52 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Knee injury A few weeks ago I sprang my knee. It swelled up quite a bit, but with hot/cold water treatments the swelling went down after a few days. I had to use a cane (from Cane Masters of course) for a couple of weeks. The knee is now stronger and I do not need the cane, but there is still a bit of liquid between the knee cap and the skin. Has anyone experienced this and what did you do about the liquid? How did it happen? OK, Ok, I know at age 43 I should not be doing 540s and aerial cartwheels, but I was having so much fun. But no more. But I do hope be back in full swing and sparring again. Any suggestions from experience? Nothing is torn. Gary Pieratt ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V7 #351: Ethics in martial arts training I agree that it is dangerous to do this in any haphazard fashion. I think it's particularly foolish, or worse, to to this on the basis of standards that you have agreed to adopt from some source outside of your art, without regard to the content of those standards or how they relate to the philosophy of your school or art. Example: if prohibition of alcoholic beverages were reinstituted tomorrow, would you really expel a student who indulged in a beer on occasion? Does the philosophy of your art bend in lockstep with the actions of your legislators? On the other hand, if your school or art is integrated by design with a comprehensive system of moral standards, then you as an instructor are bound to pass the judgements of that system on to your students. Thayne_Coffman wrote: >I think it's kind of dangerous to appoint yourself as a moral arbiter for >things >that go on outside of the school. Some things that might be considered >immoral >to you might not be considered immoral to other people Tang Soo! === Scott ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 06:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #353 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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