From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #363 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 29 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 363 In this issue: the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #361 the_dojang: Stances the_dojang: Form Freedom the_dojang: Bowflex= a good training device ? Worth the money ? the_dojang: Re: Sport vs. art [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 955 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steffen Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 19:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Subject: the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #361 > From: Joan Bostic > > Well, ouch! I landed a lateral jump poorly and completely tore my > ACL two days before my 4th Gup test. (Very depressing.) I'm > looking for some member experiences with torn ACL's and > reconstructive surgery. How long did it take before you were able > to train? How long before you regained a competitive form. Are > you comfortable with the reconstructed knee? Did you have any > collateral damage beside the ACL? Well, ouch, indeed. I blew mine about 1.5 years ago - one of my students accidentally put most of his weight on the outside of my knee. Blown ACL and some MCL damage too (but that was healed up in two weeks). I posted a brief account of my experiences a few months ago - you might look through the archives. My first suggestion is to find absolutely the best surgeon you can find. Very important. My knee isn't normal, but I ran into some complications. I went back in to have some scar tissue removed 2 weeks ago; the knee feels mechanically sound, but I'll have to rehab it some more. The short answer, then, is that yes, they can fix it; yes, you'll eventually be able to do TSD again; but not any time soon. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Steffen Wave after wave will flow with the tide Dept. of Physics And bury the world as it does Colorado State University Tide after tide will flow and recede steffend@lamar.colostate.edu Leaving life to go on as it was... - Peart / RUSH "The reason that our people suffer in this way.... is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi ------------------------------ From: Dave Steffen Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 19:38:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: the_dojang: Stances > From: David Reed > > I have to disagree to some extent with the posts so far. If you > look at a wide variety of martial arts you will find that almost > all have some sort of front stance which implies it is not an > artifact but a core method. Agreed. But I have yet to see a _TaeKwon-Do_ (or related system) fighter actually use a classical, technically correct, forward/walking stance while _sparring_. Maybe in some Chinese systems they actuall spar from them; I've never seen it. Every martial art has teaching techniques; it's the nature of the beast. Forward stances are a very common one, because they work so well. I would argue that they're not _artifacts_ but indeed a core method - of teaching! > Sorry for the diatribe. Every now and then I get on my box. > Apparently a symptom of age. Hope not - I do the same thing, and I vigorously reject that "old man" title! ;-) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Steffen Wave after wave will flow with the tide Dept. of Physics And bury the world as it does Colorado State University Tide after tide will flow and recede steffend@lamar.colostate.edu Leaving life to go on as it was... - Peart / RUSH "The reason that our people suffer in this way.... is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi ------------------------------ From: Emactkd@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 01:34:43 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Form Freedom I recently became involved with the AAU, and within the forms competition category there is allowance for ITF, WTF, and TSD forms. There are a few TSD forms that I am not familiar with and it lead me to thinking how does one really judge a form you don't know against a form you know? For instance, you see a form you know but the competitor makes in error in motion, turns the wrong way for instance, but doesn't stop and completes the form as if it was the way he meant it. It is really not correct, yet the standards of judging are such that form correctness is not an issue. I find it hard to think that the student who does a form that is unfamiliar to most of the judges has a good shot at a fair judgement unless he is just unbelievably good. TO be honest, I was a little tired of seeing 50 renditions of Koryo at each tournament, and was looking forward to variety. But in judging the forms competition, several black belt and red belt competitors performed forms that I had never seen before. I looked for elements, front stance, back stance, cat stance, foot position, focus etc. But I found that without anticipation of the next movement it made it hard to judge the movement on its own. So, is choice of forms a good thing or a bad thing? Rick Foley By the way, if any of you have an opportunity to look into the AAU, they have some very good points in how they do things. ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Bowflex= a good training device ? Worth the money ? Hi all: Subject: Bowflex I have reviewed the commercials and video tape sent to me on Bowflex. Is Boxflex a good training device. Does it work ? Is it worth the approximately $1200.00 they are asking ? Can freeweights have the same result ? Thanks for your inputs. Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Kim Jones Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sport vs. art Mr. Silz, that definitely hit home. What a lot of people do not realize is that there is more than just the little things, and to see (hear) athletes doing the right and honorable thing, as in Esther Kim's case, only elevates the art as a whole to a higher level. Where else would Ms. Kim have learned such a value of humility??? Whomever had a hand in her instruction taught her better than they knew. Thank you for sharing that point-of-view with us. ===== ~~Kim Jones (*ladytimberland@yahoo.com*) http://kenochi_timberland.tripod.com/ ICQ: 52828008 AOL: Lady Timberland "The path of excess leads to the tower of wisdom." Enigma, "Gravity of Love" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 12:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #363 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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