From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #369 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 31 May 2000 Vol 07 : Num 369 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Todd Tademy the_dojang: Sip p'al gi the_dojang: Re: Stances the_dojang: RE: Rules the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #368 the_dojang: Re: Todd the_dojang: Re: Underwater Self Defense [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 900 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:42:50 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Todd Tademy Greg Do you have any more information on this. I trained with Todd at his original TKD school when he was only 17. He left there many years ago but many of the senior black belts knew and loved him. I would like to relay as much information as I can. My favorite memory of Todd is during an early Hapkido class while he had me pinned to the ground. He pulled back his hand to mimic the finishing move, struck down grabbed my side and started tickling me. (I'm way to ticklish) I was screaming and thrashing around and still couldn't get away. I'll always remember that kind harted side of him. It's a terrible loss. Scott > From: Gregg London > Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:39:43 -0600 > Subject: the_dojang: Todd Tademy > > It is with great sadness and regret that I am sending this. > > On May 30, 2000 Todd Tademy passed away in his sleep. ------------------------------ From: Rudolph George-P27574 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:46:16 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Sip p'al gi Andrew, Thanks for the information. I would be interested in the more detailed history of this art. >Not exactly Kung Fu, but that might be how it was explained to your >Grandmaster. What would be the connection there, then? Why would it be explained as kung fu, if it wasn't? (I believe that is entirely possible, I'm simply curious why.) >Sip p'al gi indeed refers to '18 techniques.' My research has so far >traced these techniques back to Ming Chinese military manuals. However, >they are of interest to us because they appear in a later Korean >military manual. The Muye Tobo T'ongji--I haven't seen a copy, but I am familiar with it as a reference in modern Korean martial arts histories. >However, the modern techniques called Sip p'al gi to which you refer >belong to a martial art created by Kim Kwang-seok. He put together/ >rediscovered these techniques, probably in the 60-70's. By 1988 he was If your dating is correct, then my Grandmaster probably got his training from another source--he's in his 60's and began training at 5 yrs old. However, it would interesting to see what Mr. Kim had done as well. >confident enough to publish a book (he has published several since). The >book linked his techniques to the Korean military manual (the Muye Tobo >T'ongji). He made the techniques look Chinese in style (and he may have >been correct about this). However, they look more Taichi than Kung fu. >The techniques, incidentally, focus on weapons (mostly swords) and not >empty-hand techniques. From what I've seen, there are a lot of Chinese Kung Fu styles based around training with 18 weapons. So, I'm not surprised at the connection. >Anthony reports that Sip p'al-gae was absorbed by a Hapkido style, but >we don't know which one or when. It would be interesting to find out which one... Thanks again. George Rudolph ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:24:00 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Stances I have found the ongoing conversation about using stances to be particularly interesting. Almost since I started training in Taekaon-Do I have noticed the disparity between stances in sparring and basics. I'd like to think those countless hours in front stances and horseback stances are good for something besides building leg muscles! In Chinese styles they do indeed use traditional stances in sparring. Well, kind of. I have noticed that beginning students use the Kung Fu equivalent of front and horseback stances and are at a disadvantage to their seniors. The seniors tend to use shorter stances, more like rear-foot and L-stances. This gives them the speed advantage. As time progresses, however, things change. The students become more adept at changing from stance to stance quickly and learn how to capitalize on body weight shifting in their techniques. As time goes by the trend reverses itself and the students begin to be able to use the longer deeper stances in sparring because their speed and balance has increased. I just attended an Eagle Claw seminar where the instructor used front stances and horseback stances for almost every technique. He also showed the techniques in very short and shallow techniques. The point was that deeper stances are for more power. (Frankly he was so good that his movements didn't have to be that large. He could utilize his body weight with little movement.) Dave Steffan said: >Personally, I don't use the classic stances (1); but that doesn't mean >they're not useful! My stances are effective _for me_; I developed >them based on the principles I learned from the classics. The >principles they embody are _critical_ in learning how to move. I totally agree that stances teach one how to move. I tend to think, also that stances are one of the most important things in a martial art. Without a good foundation a house will soon collapse. If the student has weak stances or doesn't understand the concepts behind them it's all over the first time they get hit or try to move with any speed. David Reed said: >Front stance is a great stance to kick from as it allows you to benefit >from the stretch reflex in your hip flexors. Used for finishing or >push >kicks, I would submit it is also more powerful because it >requires more >hip twist and acceleration of your bodyweight, making >the snap on >penetration more effective. I've broken five 12" by 12" >boards with a >ball of the foot roundhouse from this position. I would >also note that I >didn't go through the boards but popped them as a >unit and recoiled as if >kicking air. This is not a claim to be a >great kicker but I learned this >from Kim, Jae Joon based on Talyunbong >training and it really has proven >out. That is IMPRESSIVE! Breaking with a roundhouse kick has alway been tough for me. Anything over three boards is a psychological hangup. I'll have to try this kick from a front stance. I usually start out in an L-stance. >One last thought is that next time you do a simple down block followed >by a step into front stance and punch, try it with a partner grabbing >their uniform with the blocking hand as you punch. Try it against a >kick, wrist or elbow grab, and hook punch to the kidney. The variety >of >distances and how you can penetrate, off-balance, and crush them >with an >appropriately targeted punch is interesting. I've done this with hooking blocks (grabbing the opponent's wrist of their guarding or punching hand). I tend to make the grab and then step to the OUTSIDE into a horseback stance and execute a counter punch while pulling them in. Quite effective: moves you out of the way and pulls them into the counterattck for added power. Miguel Garcia said: >I use the front stance and see others using the front stance in >free-sparring. The most common point where you see this is after > >breaching your opponents defense and executing a reverse punch. >Imagine >you just invaded your opponents territory with a high left >side shuffle >side kick as you re-chamber and land you do a left >outside block to clear >any resistance that may remain. Now in a very >classical move the lead foot >(left) shifts outward leaving you in a >very powerful stance for a reverse >punch to your opponents ribs. I have also used the front stance in free sparring to execute reverse punches and reverse punch/front kick combinations. I have had some object that a front stance leaves you too open to counterattcks, but that's why I block my opponent's attck or guarding block out of the way first. Blocking is supposed to throw your opponent off balance or at least open their defenses a little. Maybe if proper blocking was emphasized at least SOME of the problem with taking correct stances would resolve itself. Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: CA&B Skjold Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:08:11 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Rules As a parents it would be nice to give them something but as a student I found I remember proper etiquette and behavior better when I see it in the dojo. If everyone but the newest students are following your guidelines the newbies should be able to follow by the example shown by their seniors. But I am not an instructor, I know some of my fellow adult students would like written rules, it is sad when the children are picking up this stuff faster that the adults anyhow. that my opinion. Anne (7th Gup WTF) ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:11:43 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #368 In a message dated 5/31/00 9:19:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << This is my first year, and I am looking forward to it. But I am very excited about the AWSDA conference to be held in Seattle in August. I'm teaching "Offensive Knife" there. Since that's a bit closer to you, think you'll make it? >> What time in August ?? That is definitely something to shoot for ! I want to learn more knife stuff ! Is there a site I can go to with that has all the information on it? Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:16:50 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Todd In a message dated 5/31/00 9:19:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << On May 30, 2000 Todd Tademy passed away in his sleep. Todd, of course, was one of our greatest athletes to play Taekwondo in the heavyweight division. He caputured honors on every level and was one of the kindest "big men" that I have ever known. >> Oh my gosh ! NO ! I am so sad ... my condolences to all who knew him well and we will all feel the loss of his contribution to TKD and to others that he encouraged along the way. Thanks for the address to send condolences to ... will send a card out today. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:13:24 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Underwater Self Defense In a message dated 5/31/00 9:19:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I will be teaching a course in Underwater Self Defense (how to fight off someone trying to drown you - intentionally, or someone drowning and panicking who you are trying to save). We developed this course with some Ju Jutsu grapplers, Navy Seal Trainers, lifeguards and a handful of police and martial artists. Everyone has to jump in the pool and go at it with all their street clothes on. :) >> Dang ! This sounds like an interesting subject to study ! How did you get into that ? Illona ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #369 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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