From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #375 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 4 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 375 In this issue: Re: the_dojang: underwater self-defense Re: the_dojang: Form Freedom the_dojang: Re: Juche vs Kodang the_dojang: My first martial arts lesson/school=1967 the_dojang: Video Review the_dojang: Hai Dong Gumdo ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 900 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Erik Kluzek Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 08:24:08 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: underwater self-defense On Fri, 2 Jun 2000 foxdragon@cuttingedge.net wrote: > Thinking this underwater self-defense class would be a way to spice > up summer activity. One of them e-mailed me back asking how > much extra is the insurance company going to ask for if they > did this? He also asked what if something goes wrong? It > shouldn't cost any more than it is now. The suggestion was > for a class in the swimming pool not a seminar. Would > insurance companies freak out if we did this? After all, it > is the same risk as we are taking in the do-jang. Donna > - -- I can't say they would freak out. But, the risk is definately higher, since you add the risk of drowning to the normal injuries that might occur. There's a lot of things that might happen in the do-jang, but drowning ain't one of them -- unless you drown in your own sweat! You would definately want a trained lifeguard there. The insurance company might place restrictions on what you do (requiring so many lifeguards, tell you forms only no sparring or something), or require more money. I remember reading an article in a martial art mag about a martial arts style that works on drowning techniques -- so presumably they worked something out with an insurance company. I also wouldn't suggest that you practice self-defense from drowning techniques, unless you know what you are doing. You would also need to let the life-guards know what is going on and probably get more of them. Doing forms underwater is going to be quite safe. But, anything where there is thrashing around, the lifeguards are going to have a hard time telling if someone is drowning or not. So sparring might be out, unless you increase the life-guards or only have two sparring in the pool at the same time (with everybody else out). After thinking about it, the seminar that's going on is probably one of the rarest chance any of us might get to practice drowning technique in a safe environment, with people that know what they are talking about (both effective technique and how to make it safe). Anyone, actually had a class in a pool? How did it workout with the lifeguards? Did you tell them what you were doing? Erik Kluzek Longmont CO ------------------------------ From: Erik Kluzek Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 08:58:39 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Form Freedom On Mon, 29 May 2000 Emactkd@aol.com wrote: > I recently became involved with the AAU, and within the forms competition > category there is allowance for ITF, WTF, and TSD forms. There are a few TSD > forms that I am not familiar with and it lead me to thinking how does one > really judge a form you don't know against a form you know? ------------------------------ From: Anders Torvill Bjorvand Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 17:11:47 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Juche vs Kodang At 06:44 03/06/2000 -0700, you wrote: >1.) Why was the pattern Ko-Dang removed from the ITF curriculum? (i.e. >What was wrong with it?) The official ITF reason as far as I know it is twofold: 1) it added to little value to the set of patterns - ie little significance 2) the Kodang-guy has been pointed out as a traitor by newer history >2.) Why was Ju-Che added (i.e. What made this so much better than Ko-Dang?) The official ITF reason is that they needed Juche to broaden the spectrum of techniques. As you probably know, Juche is quite flashy. The unofficial and at least as likely reason is that Juche was introduced to honor dictator Kim Il Sung and hence accomplish to reintroduce TKD into North Korea (which succeeded). As you might know, Juche is the name of the personal philosophy of the late dictator. The principles he used to practically torture an entire people (my bias ...). Sincerely, Anders T. B. ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: My first martial arts lesson/school=1967 After I moved from NYC to New Jersey I made the high school basketball team. During the summer of 1967 I found out about this martial arts school in Hackensack, New Jersey (say that like this "New Jeeerseeey). I took a few lessons...I think it was a Japanese style. I remember that this was the only school near me--at least that is what I knew then. I had to stop taking lessons since I had no drivers license yet and my parents did not want to drive several towns over to have me attend a school. I had to take 2 or 3 buses. I have no idea why I decided to start taking lessons other than I was tired of being afraid of bigger, tougher guys. In those days, you did not even stare at tough guys, re: "Hey, what are you lookin at...you got a problem...?" But it was an early introduction into the wonders of the martial arts. Here it is 33 years later. We now have the internet, many schools, and many martial artists. Times change, huh ? McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 23:59:00 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Video Review Name: Hapkido Hoshinsul: The Explosive Korean Art of Self-Defense with Alain Burrese Length: 80 minutes Price: $39.95 Contact: Paladin Press, P.O. Box 1307, Boulder, CO 80306 Phone: (800) 466-6868 The good news about this video, according to our reviewer, is that it's packed with techniques. "For those of you who want to accumulate a lot of self-defense techniques, this is a video for you," says Larry Adams, a law-enforcement officer. The bad news is that Burrese doesn't go into a tremendous amount of detail, says Adams. "He doesn't elaborate on when, where or why you would use these techniques," he adds. "But it's definitely a good video for those who want to pick up a bunch of techniques and variations." From "Karate Illustrated - August 2000" p. 33 ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 04:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Hai Dong Gumdo Hello from Chicago. The first day of the Hai Dong Gumdo seminar at Kwon's TKD in Franklin Park, Illinois is under my belt. I head out this morning for 6 more hours of instruction in just a bit. The VP of the Hai Dong Assoc brought two instructors with him to instruct the basics. We learned such basic aspects of Hai dong Gumdo as putting down the sword, picking up the sword, straight cut, left & right cuts, cross cuts, basic steps, bows, etc. Yes, it felt strange but good being a white belt again. More today! Ray Terry ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #375 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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