From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #377 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 5 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 377 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #376 the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #376 the_dojang: RE: pressure points and blocking the_dojang: back to Normal ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 900 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:04:59 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #376 In a message dated 6/5/00 7:37:27 AM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << The first day of the Hai Dong Gumdo seminar at Kwon's TKD in Franklin Park, Illinois is under my belt. I head out this morning for 6 more hours of instruction in just a bit. >> Ray are you a member of the USNTF? Gary Pieratt New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: Robert Martin Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:17:45 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #376 Mister Choi, I find myself once again on the opposite side of an issue with you. I realize that many South Koreans are greatly opposed to North Korea and I have no problem with this. However, the statement the Gen. Choi is "embracing North Korea more and more" is somewhat of a stretch. After all, the WTF and Kukkiwon entered Russia prior to 1991 when Russia was still communist. Does this mean that the WTF/Kukkiwon was embracing communism or was WTF/Kukkiwon living up to the idea of Gen. Choi that Taekwon-do should be taught to anyone regardless of religion, political opinion or ideology? Also, was the offer of the South Korean team/WTF/Kukkiwon to allow North Korean TKD players a chance at the open team spots embracing communism? Juche was introduced into the ITF pattern set in the early 1980 (1983 I believe). It is a much more difficult pattern than Kodang. Gen. Choi's thought (this from his own mouth) was to make a more difficult pattern at a lower dan level when folks are still able to perform the more difficult kicks. Juche is one of the three patterns learned for testing for 3rd dan. Preparing for take shelter from the flames Robert Martin From: "Michael Choi" Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 01:24:46 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Juche/Kodang Ju-che is Korean for "Self-reliance" and it is the "catch word" of North Korea. In a nutshell, the North Korean rhetoric is to build a country that is totally self-reliant and is not dependent on another country. This is to nullify Korea's history of vassalage and subservience to bigger countries such as China, Japan, and Russia/US. As I'm not an ITF'er or Chang Hon set pratitioner, I don't know the forms, but it SEEMS like Gen. Choi, Hong-hi is embracing North Korea more and more. If Gen. Choi is changing the forms for political reasons, I'm really disappointed. He said that he taught Taekwondo regardless of religion, political opinion, or ideology. Hopefully, he has a better reason. I would appreciate any clarification. Sincerely, Michael Choi >All,This question is, perhaps, old hat to those on this list. Nonetheless, >I am >looking for two discrete pieces of information: >1.) Why was the pattern Ko-Dang removed from the ITF curriculum? (i.e. >What was wrong with it?) >2.) Why was Ju-Che added (i.e. What made this so much better than >Ko-Dang?) >If you could please point me to a URL or give me your own input into this >matter it would be greatly appreciated.Thank you!Ryan Shroyer ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 14:58:58 GMT Subject: the_dojang: RE: pressure points and blocking >Snip< From: =?iso-8859-1?q?J=20S?= Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:14:42 +0100 (BST) Subject: the_dojang: Pressure points and blocking Hi, I'm a 6th kup in ITF Taekwondo and would like to ask you all this: A friend of mine told me something about blocks which I thought was interesting. Apparently in some other forms of martial arts (i.e not Taekwondo) such a thing as a block does not exist - it is tought as a 'block' but is actually a strike to presure points. Could anybody confirm or deny this? And I was wondering has anybody heard about this in TaeKwondo (ITF or other)? >Snip< This sounds like your friend has either been to a George Dillman seminar or has read one or more of his books. By the way, I would recommend doing either one of or both of these things AFTER you have become more proficient in Taekwon-Do. Green belt is a little early to be mixing styles (in my opinion). I have read the first two books on pressure point fighting by Mr. Dillman and I attended a seminar with him back in the mid 90s. Very interesting and informative. I had never seen someone get knocked out by getting hit on the arm before (!). And it wasn't a "knock-out" where the guy is a little woozy. He was OUT. Mr. Dillman talks about the various pressure points on the human body. We covered the arms and legs mostly and some on the head. He also talked about a different way to punch than most styles use. It's basically like a vertical punch in Taekwon-Do, i.e., a 1/2/ to 3/4 rotation of the punching arm so that the knuckles are verticle and perpindicular to the floor instead of horizontal and parallel to it. This is supposed to strengthen the arm. What I noticed is that it ALSO opens up the pressure points on the inside of the arm, thus making them more exposed to being hit. The idea is that instead of just blocking away an incoming attack what you are actually supposed to be doing is attacking the opponent's limb. This is usually done by striking the pressure points on the arm in conjunction with strikes to other parts of the body. Seems to work well if you put the time in. Now, I don't think that this is inherent to EVERY style like Mr. Dillman was saying. It seems to be something predominantly from Okinawan styles. These techniques probably were not taught when Karate went to Japan or to Korea via the Korean nationals in the 40s and 50s. While I have been taught pressure point striking in Taekwon-Do this was NOT done in the way that Mr. Dillman does it. Aditionally, I have talked about this to several people in different Kung Fu styles and they all have said that in their styles blocks ARE blocks and pressure point strikes ARE pressure point strikes. >Snip< P.S. Is anyone out there going to USTF World Camp 2000 who could maybe tell me what to expect when I get there! >Snip< I was at the 1993 World Camp. Let me just say WOW. Gen. Choi was there for a seminar with the black belts. Special classes to choose from every day. I did knife defense and pressure points with Mr. Don Partch. If he's there it's definitely worth the time. Also, pattern training, kicking, etc. Just remember, the Rockies are a little higher in altitude than most places so be prepared. By the way, when I was there Mr. Winegar said in one of the classes "There are no blocks in Taekwon-Do" much like your friend said. BUt he wasn't referring to pressure point striking so much as attacking your opponent's limb with enough force to either break it or otherwise injure him. Most people I have seen don't put THAT much power into their blocks. Anyway, hope this information helps. Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: back to Normal Yes, I'm back to normal. Normal, Illinois... Gary asked if I'm a USNTF (said 'us-n-tuff' :), no, I am not currently a USNTF member. Ray Terry ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #377 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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