From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #383 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 7 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 383 In this issue: the_dojang: My Opinions the_dojang: Re: H.U. Lee the_dojang: Re: H.U. Lee the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #382 [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 900 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Farral, Kim G" Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:52:25 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: My Opinions > Well I haven't been around much lately...so I am going to just make a > quick couple of comments in reference to a few things I have managed to > pick up on in my quick scan of the 20 unread digests I have sitting > here...Ok...after reading this over...some of it sounds rather terse...not > meant to be...but I sent it anyway... > > Blocks and Pressure Points: Since when did Tae Kwon Do come from > Karate?...ever heard of Tae Kyon...very similar to what the USTU does > today...hands at the side...very limited hand techniques...I would agree > that the use of hands combined with the foot techniques was taken from the > Japanese style of Karate...but not the forms...nor the art...the forms and > the art existed long before they were given names and organized > patterns... > > Funny how Dillman (an American?...not familiar with him)... popularized > pressure points...something that (to my understanding, knowledge, and > training) has been a premise of martial arts in general for as long as > they have existed...The Korean term for pressure point (or so I was told > by a Korean Master...assuming he understood my question) is Kyong Nok > (have no idea how to spell it....but that's the way it was pronounced to > me)...I am interested in knowing how it was that he popularized pressure > points... > > 36 Hour Black Belt Test: I have to agree with Kerry...WHY?...I can fully > understand a weekend training camp to undergo such trials...I think it > would be great to be surprised by unexpected attackers in various > wilderness situations or whatever happens in your 36 hours...but to make > it a requirement to earn a Black Belt?...not that I am against this, just > don't understand it...seems extreme to me...sounds like it is geared > towards only those physically athletic types and cuts out the rest you > can't run a 4 minute mile or leap across a 10 foot gorge... > > Earning a black belt IMVHO means taking what you have been taught, > applying the knowledge with expertise, and using that expertise as it > applies to the individual's capabilities and limitations...in > essence...effectively using that expertise to adapt and overcome the > physical limitations of the body and be as formidable as those without the > physical limitations...but I would love to do a weekend wilderness > training session...(I thought about the Marine Corps, the Green Beret, and > the Navy SEALS, but they all expected too much)... > > Softball or Tae Kwon Do: Why the dilemma?...Balance out your time if you > want both...schedule them in...personally...there is no dilemma...Tae Kwon > Do is a way of Life ...something you keep inside you and grow with > forever...softball is a sport...2 good years left huh?...More Martial > Artists end their Martial Arts career trying to be the socially outgoing, > youthful, athlete in other sports and getting injured in ways that > significantly limits or ends their Martial Arts Career...Basketball is a > big contributor to serious injuries, as is Baseball, and > Softball...martial arts is suppose to teach us how to effectively make > decisions and choices on our own based upon our personal attributes and > limitations...it's your body, it's your life, it's your choice...you > decide what is more important to you ...2 years...or a lifetime... > > > ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:27:47 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: H.U. Lee I echo Mr. Erwin sediments on GrandMaster H.U. Lee and the ATA. In light of recent discussion on self-appointed GrandMasters, etc. I just wanted to emphasize the point that "GrandMaster" Lee performed a testing in front of a panel of his seniors and was recognized and promoted to the rank of 9th degree, and GrandMaster. While the next in line does appear to be 8th degree, Chief Master Soon Ho Lee, I would imagine that he will be required to maintain the integrity and repect the time in grade requirement (8 years), and also need to "test" for his 9th degree as well. Until that time, while he may organizationally take the place of GrandMaster H.U. Lee, in my opinion, I doubt he will be granted the title and rank until he meets the necessary requirements. I have personally met GrandMaster H.U. Lee, and can honestly say that while he will leave a hole in the organization and in our hearts, his legacy will continue. Through his leadership, example and teachings, he will continue to prosper. Mark Lasich Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com ------------------------------ From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:32:10 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: H.U. Lee In a message dated 6/7/00 4:02:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << H.U. Lee >> This is indeed sad news. Haeng Ung Lee was my very first TKD teacher in the seventies, in Omaha Nebraska. Omaha was the first place he settled in the US when he came from Korea, he and an American (Dick - dont recall his last name) who met Mr Lee in the military in Korea and brought him to the US, founded the Omaha Karate and Judo School. We called him Mr. Lee at the time, this was before the days we called people Master and Grand Master. He was a truly awesome martial artist, his speed and power were unbelievable. He had been self defense instructor for the Korean Tiger Division. One of the black belts there who knew him well told me that Master Lee had told him that he had met and sparred with Bruce Lee, that he had done well against Bruce Lee but that he had found him not a nice guy who did not show good control in their sparring. I have no idea if this storry is true. Mater Lee brought Master SK Shin to Omaha to teach the Judo, and GM Shin subsequently left to start his own school and joined WTF. He also brought GM Kim to Omaha, they had both been taught by Sun Duk Sun who was at that original meeting when Taekwondo got its official name. GM Kim then started his own school under the WTA I believe. So he brought alot of great Masters to the US. The famous Hee Ill Cho and Hapkido Master Dr Kim of Louisiana were also in the ATA under GM Lee, they would often come to Omaha for our testings. I was also taught there by a man name Dale Craig who was also a fantastic martial artist. This was before the ATA developed their own forms, we practiced the standard ITF forms. I do remember that in those days Grandmaster Lee smoked, and could drink hard too if there was that occasion. Im not suggesting he had a drinking problem, I did not know him well enough and I was only in high school -- but the sense was that he was a very tough guy. This contrasted in an interesting way with the image that I would see much later, after he moved to Little Rock - in magazines, which presented him as much more philosophically and spiritually oriented. I wondered if he had gone through some change in his life or if this was presentation. I had two experiences re Grand Master Lee that I will always remember. One was that I was a blue belt, 16 and frustrated that we weren't learning enough of the philosophy that I was so awed by watching Kung Fu on TV. So I approached him, with trembling voice and asked to learn more about this aspect of the art. His office was filled with plagues and awards, and I remember that he kept himself pretty aloof from color belt and younger students, he only dealt with you if you were a black belt, his underlings interacted with us, though he often taught class. He was an intimidating distant figure. He told me that until I got my black belt I would not be able to understand the philosophy and so after I got my black belt he would talk to me about that. He moved before that happened. The other story was that at the time, I told my father, who was a surgeon and knew nothing about martial arts that all I wanted to do in life was to go to Korea and train and come back and be a Taekwondo instructor. I pushed him so much to agree to this and pay for it that he went to visit Grand Master Lee and talk to him about it. He told my Dad I was a very nice boy but not quite cut out for that and to make sure I went to college in the US and got good grades. I was crushed but it turned out to be the right thing for me in the end. Those are my personal recollections of this great martial artist who I knew distantly. Jose' ------------------------------ From: Stickfighter27@cs.com Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:22:00 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #382 Hi, does anyone have any diagram or anything pertaining to the Basaisho form. I learnt it about 10 yrs ago and would like to re-establish it. But I cant seem to get passed the first 11 or 12 or so moves....I remember how it begins and ends its the middle part of the form I forget all about...Thanks. 2nd Dan Chun do Kwan TKD Cory ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #383 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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