From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #384 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 8 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 384 In this issue: the_dojang: TKD Blocks the_dojang: "TEST?" the_dojang: Lee vs Lee??? the_dojang: H.U. Lee Recollections the_dojang: Re: North Korean Martial Arts the_dojang: Hai Dong Gumdo stuff [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 900 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Weller" Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1904 11:30:00 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: TKD Blocks My instructors have always emphasized that every strike OR block in TKD is a breaking blow. That is there should be enough power in any technique to break a board (arm, leg, nose.... etc)... As for pressure point techniques, I have seen and heard long arguments for and against this theory as it applies to TKD. Have even heard it said that the forms we practice are modified to hide the pressure point stikes inherent in them from western eyes .... sounds like good PR, but seems a bit unlikely. If I block a punch, and leave my attackers arm dangling at his side, then pressure point strike or not, it was effective. Still not up to a spear finger thrust through a board, but I have seen it done.. Dang, that has GOT to hurt ... dave weller, student wtf tkd "Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. Practice ten thousand hours and you learn about yourself. ~Myamoto Musashi ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:04:57 EDT Subject: the_dojang: "TEST?" In a message dated 6/7/00 4:52:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > n light of recent discussion on self-appointed GrandMasters, etc. I just > wanted to emphasize the point that "GrandMaster" Lee performed a testing in > front of a panel of his seniors and was recognized and promoted to the rank > of 9th degree, and GrandMaster. > I am curious; how does one "test" before one's juniors for higher rank than they supposedly hold? This seems incongruous with concept of a "test." This sounds more like the description of a demonstration, than an exam, to me. What do you all think? SESilz ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:18:52 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Lee vs Lee??? In a message dated 6/7/00 4:52:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > He had > been self defense instructor for the Korean Tiger Division. One of the black > > belts there who knew him well told me that Master Lee had told him that he > had met and sparred with Bruce Lee, that he had done well against Bruce Lee > but that he had found him not a nice guy who did not show good control in > their sparring. I have no idea if this storry is true. Running the risk of opening a huge can of nasty worms, I can not help but throw my two cents worth in here: I have been in taekwondo for 24 years under a Korean-American SabomNim, have been in Korea, and have shared a home with a korean master who was my trainer and friend. I know the mentality extremely well. This said, I doubt if any Korean master -- especially from that earlier era -- and especially a trainer of the ultra-macho Tiger Division -- would ever openly complain about a sparring partner having "poor control." It just wouldn't happen. Ever. SESilz ------------------------------ From: "John Bennett" Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:04:07 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: H.U. Lee Recollections > Haeng Ung Lee was my very first TKD teacher in the > seventies, in Omaha Nebraska. Interesting stuff. Thanks Jose'. ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:00:04 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: North Korean Martial Arts I read with interest the postings about the martial arts in North Korea before the ITF came there. In Poland, we had an opportunity to experience it first hand. North Korea had a martial art style called Kyoksul, which was quite popular also in Poland in the late 70`s and early 80`s. There were several North Korean instructors teaching Kyoksul over here, and some of the senior ITF practitioners in Poland still have Kyoksul experience. From what I heard, the first group of North Korean instructors sent to foreign countries were in fact Kyoksul instructors turned ITF TKD. After the North Korean ITF instructors came to Poland, all the Kyoksul groups were dissolved or joined the ITF, switching over to the new style. Some still tried to show their independency by wearing ITF Doboks with "Taekwon-do" written in Roman alphabet, but "Kyoksul" in Hangul. I still remember these doboks at competitions as late as 1991. Also the post from Mitar was very interesting. We can discuss whether Gen. Choi is communism supporter or not, but one thing is a fact - the ideology that the Juche pattern stands for has turned North Korea in a starving country, with millions of dollars being used for the military purposes, while children are starving to death. let`s remember this when we practice the pattern, which really looks beautiful and it`s probably the hardest ITF pattern to perform correctly. Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: "Anthony or Clare Boyd" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:52:20 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Hai Dong Gumdo stuff *Ray mentioned some stance stuff: front stance, feet, one legged stance (name?) Actually, I mentioned the difference between our horse stance and the common horse stance but yes in the front stance (tae do sae) and many others we angle the feet to 45 degrees. In the horse stance our feet and knees are angled inward. I find it more difficult to maintain that the regular horse stance. It also provokes thoughts of oddly shaped horses. ;} I am told this stance is for a standing position when riding a galloping horse. All I can say is "short stirrups". The one legged stance you asked about is in my first list: it is the "golden rooster stands on one leg" stance, often referred to as a crane stance. Koom-gae dok-lip sae. The full name is koom-gae dok-lip pal sang sae. This includes the idea that the stance is a basis for attack and defence in eight directions. I like this stance a lot. Just last night I got to enjoy it for 5 minutes before changing facing to enjoy it again. *Then Ray asked about a head office: Yes, the physical address for the main dojang is in the KMA FAQ. It's located in a satellite city of Seoul (soon to be connected fully by subway but currently accessible by bus) called Pundang. Their website (korean only) is www.haidonggumdo.com and their e-mail address is haidong-home@hanmail.net There are approximately 50 dedicated dojangs in Seoul itself with uncounted numbers of others that offer it with other arts. Anthony Boyd http://victorian.fortunecity.com/operatic/739 ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 03:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #384 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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