From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #389 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 9 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 389 In this issue: the_dojang: In Sun Seo seminar the_dojang: Jack Dempsey book the_dojang: Chang Moo Kwan, sad news... the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #388 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #388 the_dojang: Han Moo Kwan the_dojang: chickens and eggs [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 930 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Seo727@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:31:30 EDT Subject: the_dojang: In Sun Seo seminar Dear List Members, First I want to thank Ray for posting our Kido September seminar information. For those who want to see a good mix of traditional techniques as well as effective ho shin sool, this will be an ideal seminar. We will cover a great deal of material in the two days and I invite everyone to come train with us.(Us being my father, my brother 5th dan and myself 3rd dan) If anyone wants to know more about this seminar let me know or call our office 510-796-4115. I haven't posted for a little while because I just received my degree in Economics from UC Berkeley and I just began work, so I've been in a pretty significant transition period. Thankfully I've been able to find the time to train and teach even amidst a whirlwind of change. I definitely advise everyone that when things get tough, training will definitely help one stay grounded and sane. Lastly I remember reading a post regarding Hapkido Governing bodies. I'd like to mention that in Korea, the two most prominent ones are the Korea Hapkido Association( Dae Han Hapkido Association) and the Korea Kido Assocation( Dae Han Kido Hae). Both received national recognition from the Ministry of Culture. However, the Korea Kido association recieved it in 1963, while the Korea Hapkido Association received it in 1991(A vast majority of the top ranking masters of the Korea Hapkido Association had in fact originally received dan certification from the the Kido Association). Although the Korea Hapkido Association, led by Oh Se Lim, is a legitimate organization, it does not have the history and wealth of records(Dan certification that date back 40 years) that the Kido association does. This is not an attempt to diparage anyone, just a clarification. For those who don't care about these matters, I simply invite you to come train with us in September. Thanks Steve Seo ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Jack Dempsey book On yesterday's 1829 mile return flight from Illinois to California I had a chance to read an old classic, Championship Fighting: Explosive Punching and Aggresive Defence, by Jack Dempsey. First published in 1950, this book is a highly interesting description of Dempsey's, a former bar-room brawler and heavyweight boxing champion, thoughts on fist-fighting and boxing. His explanations of the 'perfect punch' and how to properly get your weight behind your punches were amazingly clear and well thought out. His 'left jolt' vs. the more typical left jab works amazingly well. He also makes the claim that the proper punch is performed with the last three kunckles of the fist verses the first two as typically used in the Karate-like styles. He makes the point that no one is a born puncher, but that anyone can learn to be an explosive puncher if they follow his prescription. He also makes the point that one must learn offense before attempting to learn defense as an aggressive defense must include counter-punching. All in all and excellent read and its 205 pages flew by (pun intended) in far less time than United required to make the journey. Ray Terry ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Chang Moo Kwan, sad news... I am sad to report that the Grandmaster of the Chang Moo Kwan, Nam Suk Lee has developed cancer in recent months. A couple of days ago he suffered a stroke which totally paralyzed him. He is still conscious. Grandmaster Lee is 75. God bless. Ray Terry ------------------------------ From: LAHapkido@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:43:21 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #388 Ray, you left out Han Moo Kwan in your listing of the 5 original kwans. Han Moo Kwan was founded by Grandmaster Kyo, Yoon Lee, in 1953 and is considered one of the original kwans. Correct me if I'm wrong and I very well may be. Han Moo Kwan Taekwondo is alive and well in Korea and the U.S.. It is relatively small but none the less it is still here after almost 40 years. Kwan Jang Dan Rogers ------------------------------ From: "Carl W" Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 13:56:56 MDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #388 > >It does? Gen. Choi stood on the shoulders of the original Kwan founders. >He got involved several years after the original five kwans (Moo Duk Kwan, >Yon Moo Kwan, YMCA Kwon Bup, Chung Do Kwan, and Song Moo Kwan) were >founded. >Gen. Choi didn't get directly involved until the 1950s, several years >later. > Interesting point. It is my understanding that General Choi began developing his art in 1946; that, in the early years (circa 1950) he was able to propagate his art due to his position in the Korean Army; and that he had considerable influence in a military kwan as well as a civilian one (the names presently escape me). Can you point me to a source that would provide more detail on the kwans you've named? In any case, that "Taekwon-Do" wasn't the generally-accepted name of any martial art before April 1955, I would still think that the beginning of the history of Taekwon-Do (not its roots or influences) properly begins with this. Carl W. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 13:17:15 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Han Moo Kwan > Ray, you left out Han Moo Kwan in your listing of the 5 original kwans. Han > Moo Kwan was founded by Grandmaster Kyo, Yoon Lee, in 1953 and is considered > one of the original kwans. Correct me if I'm wrong and I very well may be. > Han Moo Kwan Taekwondo is alive and well in Korea and the U.S.. It is > relatively small but none the less it is still here after almost 40 years. I believe that it is considered one of the first nine Kwans, but to my knowledge it wasn't one of the first five original Kwans. The list of the original five that I posted was taken directly from Hwang Kee's TSD book, volume 1. ?? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 13:24:50 PDT Subject: the_dojang: chickens and eggs > Interesting point. It is my understanding that General Choi began developing > his art in 1946; that, in the early years (circa 1950) he was able to > propagate his art due to his position in the Korean Army; and that he had > considerable influence in a military kwan as well as a civilian one (the > names presently escape me). Can you point me to a source that would provide > more detail on the kwans you've named? I guess one could go back even further and claim that Gen. Choi started developing his art when he was learning Shotokan in Japan. But one may find lots of info in the archives of the_dojang. Also in the references that Dakin cited a couple of issues ago. > In any case, that "Taekwon-Do" wasn't the generally-accepted name of any > martial art before April 1955, I would still think that the beginning of the > history of Taekwon-Do (not its roots or influences) properly begins with > this. Perhaps. But did Gen. Choi first propose the name? Check the archives for the discussion points on that topic. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #389 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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