From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #391 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 10 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 391 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #389 the_dojang: More Hai Dong Gumdo stuff (wow) the_dojang: Last Three Fingers the_dojang: Haidong Gumdo, from the brochure the_dojang: FULBRIGHT FORUM June 16 [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 930 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LAHapkido@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:57:43 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #389 Thanks for correcting me on the Han Moo Kwan. I knew that it was among the earlist of the Taekwondo Kwans. However I thought that it was in the first 5 go figure. Ray, keep up the great work and thank you for all of your hard work on the list. Kwan Jang Dan Rogers ------------------------------ From: "Anthony or Clare Boyd" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:38:39 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: More Hai Dong Gumdo stuff (wow) Let's see if I can remember all the questions Scott and Ray asked... About the uniforms: The gup ranks in Hai Dong Gumdo wear black uniforms. When I started the uniforms had no logos. Since then it has become much harder to get a plain uniform. The velcro tabs are not at all common and I've only seen them on a handful of instructors. Most people seem to prefer the ties I guess. Once you make first dan you change to a navy blue uniform. In Korea, when there is a logo on the back it is written in Hangul not English. I was recently given one of the English ones but I prefer to use what bits of the Korean language I have while I am here. Most of the new uniforms have the trademark (GDand sword) down the left sleeve with Hai Dong Gumdo in hangul, the crouching swordspeople with infinite cuts logo on the left breast, the same logo (much larger) on the back with Hai Dong Gumdo in Hangul overtop and martial art in English underneath. The grey and white checkered pants are reserved for those who officiate. For example when I go to assist with a test I wear them but in class I wear my regular blue ones. (Mine are silk and that's death in the summer!) So, instructors wear them to teach and after awhile stop using anything else. About the swords: The moggum have some variance in weight and design but that is due to the characteristics of the wood the manufacturer used. It's not a controllable characteristic from the looks of things. Each gum is different. The length is almost identical in every case and there are two major sizes. One is for kids and one is for adults. We use the children's sizes to represent short swords for adults. Scott, I included the sword nomenclature in my second lista few digests back. About the location: The main office is in Kyunggi-Do (do means province), Songnam-Shi (shi means city), Bundang-Gu, JangJi-Dong (Dong means district). Jangji district is a part of the"borough" of Bundang in the city of Songnam in the province of Kyunggi. Kyunggi Province surrounds the city of Seoul but does not include it. To write them (this information is in the FAQ) you would address the envelope like this: World Hai Dong Gumdo Federation Kyunggi-Do, Songnam-Si, Bundang-gu, Jangji-Dong 54-1 463-010 To call from North America you would dial your long distance number, use the country code 82 and then the number 342-714-4471. In Korea you would dial 0342-714-4471. I would not expect English but you may be surprised. If you visit Korea and want to visit the main dojang I'd recommend hailing a cab and getting him to call the number for directions (or take a Korean friend with you). It's on the fourth floor of a shopping center in the middle of a residential section. It's hard to see the sign. The two main things in that building are a grocery store and an Electroland. The dojang itself is fantastic though and you can see a part of it in the Turtlepress video. They've done some remodelling since that time, however. Before too long the area is supposed to be connected to Seoul via the new orange line of the subway. Oddly enough Itaewon will also be on this line. Buses already link everything to everything else. About the intent of Hai dong Gumdo: Until students reach third dan there is not a lot of emphasis placed on self-defense issues. The first class includes some basic punch and kick defense and a few forms require proficiency with a limited range of kicks but self-defense is left to other arts. After third dan a student can begin learning what is called Hai Dong Kwonbup. Kwon means fist and bup means law. By this time the student is more than comfortable with the concepts which make the sword techniques function and is shown how to alter them to an unarmed situation. You can see a very short snippet of what I am talking about in the Turtlepress video. Much of this fighting method is left to individual interpretation. I like that a lot. That said then the purpose of Hai Dong Gumdo is to enable the student to pursue self-improvement. The "tenets" as it were of HDG are loyalty, courtesy, justice, filial piety, faithfulness, intelligence, virtue and fitness. The goal is to master a simple-seeming weapon which hides its complexity and use that learning process to explore, accept and balance the self. When I first began to study, a lot of my co-workers would ask me "What good is it?" They equated 'martial art' with 'self-defense'. It just isn't so. I blabber on about this very subject on my website so I'll not do it again here. About where I train: I train in Kyungi-Do, Uijongbu-Si, Uijongbu 1 Dong at the Uijongbu Bon Kwan (Main Hall) under Master Kim Jin-ho. I have been training here since March of 1998 and have lived in Korea since November of 1997. I intend to teach Hai Dong Gumdo when I return to Canada, so my wife and I are staying here until I am ready for that. I am very fortunate that my wife trains as well. There is a very large national Championship planned for July 23-25 this year in Seoul. If anyone plans to visit Korea this year, that might be a good time. I am told that the participants will be near or exceed 1000 in number. The last one I attended was for Kyunggi province alone and there were over 300 people participating. This has gotten quite lengthy so... Anthony Boyd http://victorian.fortunecity.com/operatic/739 ------------------------------ From: David Reed Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 20:09:04 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Last Three Fingers This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------2F3604EC2E87C12A80BD9CCA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps Mr Dempsey was speaking of a common technique in Hsing I where a vertical or semi-vertical fist is levered a split second after impact tilting the thumb laterally. If you try this against a medium size punching shield held closely to someone's body, they can feel the difference. If you use it at half strength on a volunteer they will definitely get the effect depending on where you target. This requires significant forearm training with a lever hammer but I found it is 25% more effective on concussive techniques. If you get a chance to look at a Hsing I video, its the "drilling" fist. Also watch the footwork and hip attitude and you may find this a useful addition. Regards, David - --------------2F3604EC2E87C12A80BD9CCA Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="dreed.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for David Reed Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="dreed.vcf" begin:vcard n:Reed;David tel;work:(206)770-2813 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.visioncompass.com org:Consulting Services;Vision Compass version:2.1 email;internet:david_reed@visioncompass.com title:Vice President adr;quoted-printable:;;2101 4th Avenue=0D=0ASuite 2000;Seattle;WA;98121;USA fn:David Reed end:vcard - --------------2F3604EC2E87C12A80BD9CCA-- ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Haidong Gumdo, from the brochure Just thought I'd send along the Haidong Gumdo 'history and tradition' as given in the World Haidong Gumdo Federation brochure... "The History and Tradition of the Haidong Gumdo "The Haidong Gumdo originated in the ancient kingdom of Kokuryo. In the beginning Sulbongsunin, who mastered the secret of swordmanship, established the training dojang called Samurang, and taught his disciples Gumdo. "Those sword Samurang became the origin of the Samurai in Japan. "Samurangs adopted loyalty, filial piety, courtesy, justice, faithfulness, intelligence, virtue and physical soundness as their ideals for the training of the mind and body. "They served the Great King of Kwangkaeto (AD 371-384) to build a great and mighty kingdom. "In recent days, the master Jangbaiksan of Kwanak mountain instructed the master Jeong-ho Kim. Master Kim is in the process of building 300 dojangs in Korea and 500 dojangs outside the country. "Haidong Gumdo means the 'Light' of the sword as the 'Energy' rising up in the morning in the Eastern see." Also the "Training Steps of Haidong Gumdo" Class Belt the day of training a developing training - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 8th class white 3 months courtesy, basic training and building of basic physique 6th class yellow 4 months building muscle endurance and flexibility 4th class blue 4 months developing speed, reflex and concentration 2nd class red 4 months developing balance, gyration, confidence 1st class poom 4 months developing agility, patience and make self defence possible 1st degree Black Belt - Ssangsoo Gumbup 2nd degree Black Belt - Yedo Gumbup 3rd degree Black Belt - Bonguk Gumbup 4th degree Black Belt - Jangbail Gumbup 5th degree Black Belt - Eumyang Gumbup 6th degree Black Belt - Taekuk Gumbup 7th degree Black Belt - Haidong Gumbup 8th degree Black Belt - Ssanggum Gumbup The above taken directly from the World Haidong Gumdo Federation brochure. Ray Terry ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 20:44:50 PDT Subject: the_dojang: FULBRIGHT FORUM June 16 Forwarding. Ray - -------------------------------------------------- FULBRIGHT FORUM June 16 Fulbright in Seoul (the Korean American Educational Commission) is pleased to invite you to attend the Fulbright Forum for June, which will be held on Friday, June 16, 2000, at 6:30 p.m. at the Commission offices. This month's forum speaker will be: Dr. Victor Cha, Fulbright Senior Research grantee and Assistant Professor in the Department of Government and School of Foreign Service, Georgetown University. Dr. Cha will speak on: "Assessing the Future of the United States-Republic of Korea Alliance: The Importance of Enemies or Ideas?" There will also be an opportunity to discuss the results and implications of the North-South Korean Summit meeting which will have just occurred, and its implications for the Korean-American alliance as well. This Forum is the last of the Fulbright program year, and is an opportunity to greet and say farewell to the Fulbright scholars and graduate students who have been here for the past year. In addition, the Fulbright International Education Administrators program participants will be finishing their two weeks of visiting Korean universities and departing for the U.S. on the 17th - the reception will be an opportunity to meet them and wish them farewell too. We welcome to the Forum all Fulbrighters, senior lecturers and junior researchers, as well as Board Members, Fulbright alumni, Peace Corps alumni, Korean studies scholars, foreign graduate students, and other friends of Korea and members of the Fulbright family. The presentation will be followed by a reception (in lieu of dinner.) We hope many friends will come to enjoy the lecture, the discussion, the food, and the liquid refreshment. Place: Fulbright Building 168-15 Yomni-dong, Mapo-gu (see maps on our website: www.fulbright.or.kr) Date: Friday, June 16, 2000 Time: 6:30 p.m. See you on the 16th! (RSVP and directions: Miss Park, 3275-4000) Horace H. Underwood, Executive Director Korean-American Educational Commission (Fulbright) Seoul, Korea hhu@fulbright.or.kr ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #391 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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