From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #392 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 10 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 392 In this issue: the_dojang: Aching Chest Or Abdomen the_dojang: Explaining the Hai Dong Gumdo Brochure the_dojang: Re: Three knuckles the_dojang: Re: Rick Clark the_dojang: Schools in Minneapolis/St. Paul? the_dojang: Re: Three-knuckle Punch the_dojang: Re: Last three fingers [none] ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 930 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Bruening Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 23:33:48 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Aching Chest Or Abdomen Since a Karate workout on Tuesday, my chest or abdominal muscles have ached. What do I do if they continue to ache? ------------------------------ From: "Anthony or Clare Boyd" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:24:43 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Explaining the Hai Dong Gumdo Brochure This is just a quick note to clarify that information from the brochure. The training times probably seem very fast. In Korea it seems commonplace for testing to occur as soon as people have 'learned' their belt requirements rather than 'mastering' them. So, if you have to learn three forms for the next belt you will test in the same week that they teach you the ending of the last form. I found that to be very stressful. I felt it resulted in weak tests. It's one of those cultural differences that I may never get used to. Personally, I would go to a test frustrated because I didn't feel ready. Then I would pass and feel less than worthy. Actually failing a test was the best thing that ever happened to me during testing here. In those days however, I thought I was being graded on the actual performance of my forms. Now though, I understand what I didn't understand then: what the testing requirements *actually* are (the criteria listed in the brochure). The requirements listed in the brochure are what the forms teach you at each gup. At this point in the list, what is listed is what you learn at each level. The gup ranks learn ssang-su gumpup as they progress toward first dan. In the listing for first dan it says ssang-su gumpup. All the ratings from this point on are what the rank holder already knows. At first dan you have studied all of the forms in the ssang-su series. You learn Yedo Gumpup as you progress toward second dan. At eighth dan you have learned the use of two swords. (Very cool!) Like other arts however, the holders of high dan ranks have lengthy "gestation periods" and also many other requirements to the art as a whole before they advance in rank. For a slightly longer version of the official Hai Dong Gumdo history there is a page on my website which deals with this topic. If you are in a hurry, the title page now features a site specific search engine. Type 'history'. I had to perform in a demonstration at a test today (surprise!) so I didn't get the opportunity to update my page with images and descriptions of the basic stances and terms. My apologies. That ought to be taken care of by next weekend, however. I'm really tired of seeing pictures of me so I'm going to photograph a friend instead. Anthony Boyd http://victorian.fortunecity.com/operatic/739 ------------------------------ From: IMATC@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:02:26 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Three knuckles In a message dated 06/09/00 10:56:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > The other two bones come in at an angle. > On the side of favoring the "three knuckle punch" I can only think that > there is a reduction of pressure on the striking hand by distributing the > force of the blow over a larger surface, which presumably would result in > less trauma to the knuckle surface. I would think that this is a bad thing > though, as the pressure exerted against the thing you're hitting is > similarly reduced. Another argument in favor of emphasizing the "outer" > part of the hand might be the observation that the heavier of the two > forearm bones, the ulna, is on that side of the hand. The fact that the > wrist bones aren't as solidly associated with that bone as they are with the > radius would argue against it however. > In summary, I'm still puzzled why someone would argue that punching with the > last three knuckles is a good thing. Ray, did Dempsey go into it in his > book? Okay, I may be alone on this, but the theory behind the last three knuckles is not a new concept. If you do traditional reverse punch, you do angle the alignment of the first two knuckles so that they are flush to the forearm. On a verticle punch you must also angle upward so that the BOTTOM of the fist is flush to the forearm to allow rigidity to the wrist. This will correct the surface area to target and extention from the shoulder. Actually, many professional boxers punch this way for speed and the twisting is for "tearing" the skin. Many wing chun kung-fu practitioners use this method(Verticle Punch) as well. In fact, Bruce Lee usually preferred this and not too many will dispute his power. ------------------------------ From: "Jason Swanson" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:01:56 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Rick Clark >>Rick Clark is another one that does a lot of pressure point seminars. He's >>also got rank and experience in Tae Kwon Do. He says the Korean name for >>pressure point striking is "Keupso chigi". Does anyone have the titles or ISBN# for any books this gentleman or Dillman may have? Jason Swanson ------------------------------ From: "Silke Schulz" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:23:49 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Schools in Minneapolis/St. Paul? Do any of you know of any WTF Tae Kwon Do schools in the Twin Cities of St. Paul/Minneapolis? I have a friend who has to switch schools immediately, and lives 30 miles into Wisconsin. Actually, she's about 45 minutes from Sun Yi Academy in Forest Lake, MN, but they're not WTF. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Silke Schulz ------------------------------ From: d.d.parker@juno.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:00:20 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Three-knuckle Punch Some Chinese style punch with the bottom three knuckles. It is kind of a weird transition for those who punch in the Taekwondo style, but it does make sense pyrotechnically if done correctly. Before starting Taekwondo, I studied Wing Chun and they have a one inch punch technique which I have seen send people flying through the air (myself included) and it is done by using the bottom three knuckles of the hand. Inclemently, when punching this way, one does not form a hard fist with the hand. Rather, it is kept relatively relaxed. I know, this stuff goes against what we are taught in Taekwondo, but it does work, and if there one something a Wing Chun stylist knows how to do, it is how to punch effectively. Cheers, Daniel ------------------------------ From: Ron Steele Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:58:55 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Last three fingers I attended a seminar with Joe Lewis a month or so ago. He recommends punching with first three fingers (index, middle, and ring) making similar arguments about wrist alignment. He claims the wrist aligns better with a three finger punch, but also that it is easier to properly pull the fingers in behind the knuckles with wrist at this angle. He also says the only reasons to twist the hand at the end of the strike is to either tear the opponents skin, or to roll the shoulder to get a little extra reach if punching with a fully extended arm. He also recommends throwing punches with the elbow pointing straight at the floor. I had never heard this before. This guy is really something, see him if you get the chance. Ron Steele ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #392 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.