From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #407 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 16 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 407 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #406 Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #406 the_dojang: Re: TKD Times Article the_dojang: Seminar Success the_dojang: Wedding the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 930 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Carl W" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:08:26 MDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #406 >Check the cites provided over the past couple of weeks for unbiased and >well researched articles into the development of TKD and Korean martial >arts. > >Ray Terry I've been doing just that, Ray. And in so doing, I appreciate this list (meaning your efforts) more and more. The back issues, the knowledgable and informed participants on the list, and the forum itself is truly wonderful and a tribute to you. In 2 or 3 or 5 or ??? years I may be able to speak with some authority on the history of TKD. There is so much to absorb, so many viewpoints to consider, so many ways of approaching the subject, its really overwhelming. From what I do know however, there is much room for discovery and understanding. For me, the history of TKD is as exciting as learning the first few steps of a new pattern, and as frustrating as trying to get that twist of the hips on a much-practiced movement just right. Bear with me. I've only just begun the journey. Carl W. >------------------------------ >From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" >Please don't take this as either a personal attack on you or on General >Choi. I don't. Your feedback is well taken. Thanks. >However, I believe that it is a mistake to attribute the founding of a >martial >art to someone just because he espoused a name that the majority of kwan >leaders >and politicians found acceptable. The kwan leaders certainly did not go >back to >their dojangs and begin teaching different techniques because they agreed >to use >the new name. Thats pretty much my exact point. From what I understand (admittedly, not much), I don't think the kwan leaders wanted the name taekwon-do, nor did they begin teaching anything different to their students from what they had been, after they "joined together" under the banner of taekwon-do. Rather, they continued teaching their own styles. And, if I walk further out on the branch, I would attempt the argument that "taekwon-do" became a generic name which those unfamiliar with the nuances of the different styles labelled what they saw. It must have then been easier for the kwans themselves to refer to their arts as taekwon-do in order to accomplish the objectives they set for themselves. Further, all the evidence indicates that General Choi probably >did not have the depth of experience at the time to found a new style. >After >all, he was affiliated with the Chung Do Kwan himself. The naming was a >political move, not the founding of a style. Is it significant? Yes!! To >all These points are very significant. But again trying to explain my warped sense of logic, if Choi developed his own techniques after WWII, managed to get these techniques taught to portions of the Korean army, and was able to have these techniques (versus techniques of Tang Soo Do or another art) "officially" recognized, then I think there is a strong argument that Choi developed a new martial art that was the first style to be called taekwon-do. Good luck >with your project. > >Danny Dunn > Thanks for your response (and encouragement). Carl W. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:04:06 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #406 > sense of logic, if Choi developed his own techniques after WWII, managed to > get these techniques taught to portions of the Korean army, and was able to What techniques or aspects of the art do you think it was that Gen. Choi developed in the late 40s and early 50s? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: IMATC@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:41:30 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: TKD Times Article For the who have been responding the the thread on punching I would like to add something that is in the current issue of TKD Times. We have mentioned that styles such as Wing Chun Kung Fu use this verticle fist method and last three fingers, well Dr. Leung Ting ( a GrandMaster of Wing Chun) has stated that their version of kicking is superior to TKD. Mind you, Wing Chun specializes in hand techniques. A bold statement considering it was in a TKD magazine. Any comments for those who read it? ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:56:13 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Seminar Success The Hapkido Joint Lock Seminar last week was a success. There was a small turnout, but those there really enjoyed what we did and the feedback was all very positive. It was a fun and educational day for all! Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:01:46 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Wedding Well, only one more week to go! Yi-Saeng and I will marry next week on Saturday, June 24th. It will be a small outdoor ceremony on some riverfront property owned by the family. Very beautiful spot here in the mountains. It has been quite the road to bring us together, but that only makes it more important and meaningful. A special thanks to all of you from the lists that helped with your support and words of encouragement at times. Thanks again, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 6:45:14 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #407 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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