From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #408 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 16 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 408 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Michael Choi request=resend the_dojang: Re: History & Development of Tae Kwon Do - response the_dojang: Re: Wing Chun Foot Techniques the_dojang: Re: alain burrese the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #407 Re: the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #407 the_dojang: Sport TKD calendar the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 930 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Joel Weissler Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:13:33 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: History & Development of Tae Kwon Do - response Just like TKD the data available form General Choi's interviews has varied over time. His 1st edition encyclopedia of TKD certainly gives good perspective. As to his Moo Duk Kwan connection it arose through his military connection, the majority of the instructors recruited in the early days were Moo Duk Kwan members, but it was understood that the new package was not Moo Duk Kwan style. Hence the hold outs who are recognized today TSD & SBD - both Moo Duk Kwan derived. General Choi recruited many Moo Duk Kwan members. One instance I am personally aware of was his recruitment of Moo Duk Kwan member and student of Hwan Kee -- Moon Ku Baek to go to America to teach a promising student. Master Serreff (spelling?) who I believe is still the current ITF head in the U.S. (He awarded GM Serreff his 2nd Dan). If you check Korean political history you will find that General Choi was ousted when one of his former subordinate Generals became President. That individual's style was Ji Do Kwan. The revised official TKD after Choi's ouster became primarily derived from the Ji Do Kwan style. Virtually all Ji Do Kwan practictioners switched art names. I also wouldn't read an ambassadorship as a power position. It also was effectively exile. Reliance on the current official histories for your article - looses flavor and becomes the mere regurgitation of revisionist histories. No offense intended, but if you wish to write something of real value -- research and call the survivors of that era, also call the surviving families of key early instructors and ask them for stories from those times. They deserve preservation. I was fortunate enough to study with GM Moon Ku Baek who died just under three years ago. His widow and one of his sons reside in San Diego County California. They might have some good stories for you. Many of the senior TKD, Tang Soo Do and Hapkido grandmasters have a wealth of information about the kwan conflicts and the competition within each martial art between the styles of that art practiced at/in that kwan. If you have the time to put into your article, you have an opportunity to put together some incredibly interesting stuff. I wish you the best of luck. --- JSW ------------------------------ From: d.d.parker@juno.com Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:29:00 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Wing Chun Foot Techniques I think that Sifu Leung Ting's statements come out of a widespread feeling from within the Wing Chun community that their art is far superior to Taekwondo. I know that in the Kwan which I studied at, our Sifu would even put on tapes of challenge matches where him and his students would seemingly knock the tar out of Taekwondoin who supposedly had between ten and fifteen years of experience. This was always followed by a short discussion on how Taekwondo, and every other art for that matter, was inferior to Wing Chun, and how we were learning the most effective martial art on the planet. I considered this to be ridiculous and a primary reason I left that Kwan was because of the arrogance of the Sifu and several of the Big Brothers who were instructing. As far as kicking techniques go however, you can't really compare the two styles. In Wing Chun, for the most part ( this is not an absolute rule), one counters an opponents upper body techniques with upper body techniques, and the legs are used to defend against an opponents legs. And, kicking is NOT a primary offensive weapon in Wing Chun. In Wing Chun, there are a few simple kicks which can be effective under the right circumstances. Also, the legs are often used to check the kicks of an opponent, which is a really effective technique and one which I wish they had more of in Taekwondo. However, Wing Chun has no where near the repertoire of kicks that Taekwondo has, and the ones they do have are not nearly as developed. No Wing Chun kicks have anything close to the power which a seasoned Taekwondoin can have in a well developed Axe or Back kick. I know that right now, the Wing Chun community is very fragmented, with several prominent Grandmasters claiming Yip Man's legacy. Each does all he can to prove his own superiority and put his competitors down. I have a feeling that the article in Taekwondo Times is related to this effort. And who knows, maybe the Sifu is looking for a challenge match for his senior student, Emin Boztepe. That wouldn't surprise me. This may sound like it comes from the plot of a 1970's Hong Kong martial arts flick, but trust me folks, this stuff goes on today. Cheers, Daniel ------------------------------ From: HwarangTSD@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:30:41 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: alain burrese my sincerest congratulations on this step in your life. I wish you and your wife much happiness. ------------------------------ From: HwarangTSD@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:33:15 EDT Subject: the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #407 it was my understanding, that originally, the kwan heads elected not to go with the name tkd. they originally went with tae soo do. Choi, later forced the change of the name to taekwondo. this is according to statements in his article in tkd times. I do know that when ed sell trained at the chung do kwan, it was called tae soo do chung do kwan, as evidenced by a photo in his book, where he is at an airbase in korea, and the sign clearly reads tae soo do chong do kwan. master clay ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 9:27:46 PDT Subject: Re: the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #407 > article in tkd times. I do know that when ed sell trained at the chung do > kwan, it was called tae soo do chung do kwan, as evidenced by a photo in his > book, where he is at an airbase in korea, and the sign clearly reads tae soo > do chong do kwan. Agreed. And the KTA was originally the Korea Tae Soo Do Association prior to being renamed to the Korea Tae Kwon Do Association. (http://www.koreataekwondo.org/eng/home.htm) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:00:17 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Sport TKD calendar The_Dojang's calendar of Sport Taekwondo Events June 16, 2000 Dates and locations subject to change. 2000 Nevada Governor's Cup June 17 Las Vegas, Nevada 20th TKD League match June 19-23 Inchon, Korea 1st Central American Juniors June 23-25 San Salvador, El Salvador Korea Open, Chun Chon Int'l June 24-July 1 Chun Chon, Korea USTU Junior/Senior Training Camp July 1-8 Colorado Spgs, Colorado 1st Int'l Women's Open TKD Champs July 6-8 Los Angeles, California 20th US Junior Olympic Champs July 10-15 San Antonio, Texas 3rd Chung Cheong Korea Open July 13-15 Chongju, Korea British International Open July 15-16 London, England Central American Champs July 29-30 San Jose, Costa Rica 11th Middle & High School Champs Aug 1-10 Daegu Cith, Korea PATU Open Aug 4-6 Allentown, Pennsylvania USTU Gold Team Training Aug 7-12 Colorado Spgs, Colorado Senior Elite Training Camp Aug Colorado Spgs, Colorado Junior Elite Training Camp Aug Colorado Spgs, Colorado 23th Collegiate League Match Aug 24-26 Kukkiwon, Seoul, Korea 27th Olympic Games Sep 13-Oct 1 Sydney, Australia Olympic Games TKD event Sep 27-30 Sydney, Australia 11th World Military TKD Champ Oct 21-29 Seoul, Korea 6th African TKD (3rd Women) Champs Zimbabwe 25th National Collegiate TKD Nov 3-4 Ames, Iowa German Open Poomse Nov 4 Germany 13th European Senior TKD Champs Athens, Greece Best TKD Player in 2000 tourny Nov 7-10 Kukkiwon, Seoul, Korea Internation Sachsen-Anhalt Cup Nov 11-12 Wolmirstedt, Germany 3rd World Junior Champs Nov 15-18 Killarney, Ireland Croatian Open Nov 18-19 Zagreb, Croatia 12th Pan American TKD Champs Dec 7-10 San Jose, Puerto Rico International Boeskooltournament Dec 9 Oldenzaal, Netherlands 2001 10th US Open Feb 28-Mar 4 Las Vegas, Nevada World Cup TKD Champs May 25-27 HoChiMinh City, Vietnam European Juniors TKD Champs April Spain Eurocup for teams June Moscow, Russia 4th International Cheong Open July 11-19 Chung Ju, Korea WTF General Assembly & Executive Sept Council meeting Cheju City, Korea 15th World TKD Champs & 8th Women's World TKD Champs mid Sept Cheju City, Korea European Technical Champs Oct 6-7 Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Germany 7th Central American Games Nov 30-Dec 3 Guatemala City, Guatemala 2002 Eurocup for teams May Spain 14th European Senior TKD Champs May 2-5 Ankara, Turkey 7th World Univ TKD Champs 2nd week of June Berkeley, California 7th South American Games Cordoba, Argentina 2003 Europan Junior TKD Champs May Athens, Greece 14th Pan American Games Santo Domingo, Dominican Rep 2004 European Senior TKD Champs May 4-9 Lillehammer, Norway ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:05:12 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #408 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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