From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #426 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 24 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 426 In this issue: the_dojang: Azteca Taekwondo Championship the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #425 the_dojang: Escalation/de-escalation the_dojang: ATA videotape needed the_dojang: Re: Choi book value to a non-ITF'er the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. 980 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:55:06 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Azteca Taekwondo Championship Forwarding from: AZTECA TAEKWONDO FEDERATION Master German Lopez International Instructor 6 Degree Black Belt (323) 249-6699 Ray - ----------------------------------------------------------- INTERNATIONAL AZTECA TAEKWONDO CHAMPSHIP 2000 SUNDAY AUGUST 20 GENERAL INFORMATION ELIGIBILITY Taekwondo practitioner of all ages, sex and race, who have trained and understand the Taekwondo competition rules. PRE-REGISTRATION AND ENTRY FEES PRE-REGISTRATION IS MANDATORY! Three items are required for pre-registration: 1. Fully completed official entry form. 2. Properly signed liability waiver form. 3. Make Money Order payable to: AZTECA TAE KWON DO FEDERATION Competition entry fee is $50.00 for one event. All entries must be received by August 7, 2000 Entries are to be mailed to (certified mail suggested) Azteca Tae Kwon Do Federation 3420 Tweedy Blvd. South Gate, CA 90280 All participant fees are non-refunabled MANDATORY EQUIPMENT Each competitor is required to have and wear the following equipment: 1. White V-neck Uniformed; 2. Excellent personal hygiene required; 3. Jewelry and eyeglasses are not permitted; 4. WTF chest protector with Red and Blue scoring are; 5. White Shin/Instep and Forearm protectors; 6. Groin protector; 7. WTF head protector 8. Double mouth guard is mandatory; NOTE: The necessary equipment will be on sale at the competition. Parking: Gym parking lot will be free. ------------------------------ From: "Jere R. Hilland" Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 22:50:23 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #425 Now I have to ask. Why only two nights a week? The hapkido and taekwondo mix is a large debate. The only concern is with those dojang and instructors that teach hapkido as a suppliment to taekwondo. I have always had a problem with that. With that said. If they are taught as two seperate arts, they can be complimentary. My dojang, the Hapki Dojang South, Inc., we teach both taekwondo and hapkido. Taekwondo for the children and hapkido for the adults. In college we taught 2 nights of hapkido, 2 nights of taekwondo, one night of sparring and one day of weapons. I do not like mixed arts from other countries as one does not know, for example if it is a dojo or a dojang. Just my opinion..... Jere R. Hilland http://homepages.go.com/homepages/j/r/h/jrhilland/HapkiDojang.html ------------------------------ From: Erik Kluzek Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:30:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: the_dojang: Escalation/de-escalation I think Mehgan made a good point about escalation of violence. Violence is escalated beforehand through a verbal attack on the ego. If the assailant is committed to the violence it won't matter what my physical response is. If the assailant is not committed merely backing down both verbally and gesturally will de-escalate the situation. By the way some ways of standing communicate a neutral backing down posture, but actually make it easier to defend yourself if you are attacked. Standing sideways with your hands open and up allows you to block an attack, provides a smaller target for an attack and protects your groin. One problem when things get physical is that there is a gap crossed that makes it hard to go back. The assailant now may want to hurt you in response to what they've got. If you didn't hit hard enough or hurt bad enough, or control them -- they will come at you again. So you need to be fully committed to harming the assailant -- which is why it's best to wait until it's obvious you really need too. If you aren't fully committed to harming them and "go easy" the tables may quickly turn. Now, that being said de-escalation is still important and can still be used throughout the encounter. One of my instructors was a bouncer in a cowboy bar, a de-escalation technique he used was to point out that "if we go at it, one of us is going to end up in the hospital, can you afford the bill?". It was effective because it got them thinking about the consequences without putting them down. If he would've bruised their ego by telling them "I'm going to put your sorry butt in the hospital" -- he would've got in a lot more fights. An Aikido instructor I took some seminars with pointed out about continually asking an assailant to back-down. "You can stop now, put your hands down..". One reason this is important is that bystanders don't necessarily see who's fighting whom. They may not be able to tell that the guy that just got his head smashed in was the assailant. By continuing to tell the assailant to back down it clarifies who is the perpetrator and who is using self-defense. And if the perp complies and backs-down -- so much the better. Although this is where you better either get away or know some controlling techniques! But, if responding physically to violence only meant the perpetrator would escalate the violence of their attacks -- the whole premise of the martial arts being self-defense is flawed. We'd all be better off just studying Yoga or dance. The premise of martial arts for self-defense is that I use the level of violence necissary to stop an attack against me. That means using my strength against my opponents weakness and may mean using a attack that disables the opponent. The other thing that Mehgan made quite clear about the "wolf-pack" situation is that in the middle of a bunch of people like that you can't do anything "gentle". Getting out is going to mean hurting someone and hurting them bad, and cutting or smashing a lot of people to get space. But, not doing that means putting your own life and well-being at risk. That's another reason to if at all possible avoid getting surrounded like that.... Erik Kluzek Boulder CO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 22:15:20 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: ATA videotape needed Hello, I have a small question to the ATA people on the list: is there anybody who could help me in finding any videos about your Songahm style? I am simply interesting in seeing how your tournaments and demonstrations look like, would like to see some of your patterns etc. just for my information and to broaden my horizons in Taekwondo a bit. Private videos would be welcome. I would gladly swap for any other private recording I have (ITF, WTF, HKD, HRD) or trade if you wish to. I was even determined to buy some at eBay, but all of them were sold to United States only :( If anybody could help me please contact me through private email. Thank you in advance! Kind regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: Anders Torvill Bjorvand Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:29:57 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Choi book value to a non-ITF'er >[Megadunce]: For those of you who the book are you part of the ITF? Would >it be a great >value to a non-ITF'er. I believe that most who are interested in the history of TKD recognize that maj.gen. Choi played an important role. Especially was he "best in his class" when it comes to systemizing and documenting the art. This does not make him a founder of TKD in ints entirety or give him an exclusive right to use the name only for the branch of TKD - namely ITF - for which he can be defined as some kind of founder. However, the information in his books - especially the early ones - gives us important snapshots and viewpoints on the status of TKD at the time. Since I finally have gotten hold of this book, I want to ask a question: What other early books do you recommend for historical purposes - both by Choi and others. I seem to remember that Choi had a book out in 1958 as well - is that correct? Sincerely, Anders Torvill Bjorvand ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 7:22:48 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #426 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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